Much quieter FD

[Carl]

WHOOPS!!!!!...looks like an apology is in order....:rolleyes: ...would you like to start Carl?
ok, c\'mon Clive finish typing........in all honesty though...surely this is something that is to be discussed between Clive and Ross.....why did Carl get involved?
Today 02:42 PM

I still stand by what I have said.
The reason I am involved is that I sell the product and I get it through Rotechnics,I actually used an early test trial version around 18 months ago from them to prove the idea.
The product that Ross/Dragon sells is not the same product even though they may look similar.
I have one of these from Rotechnics in my shop right now and feel very strongly that if you really want to know who is right just call David at Rotechnics and ask him. 01189 888555
David is aware that I have posted this and will back up everything I have said.
Regards
Carl

[banned advertiser]

Just to add we have sold many Dragon/Tiger systems as we are approved by Dragon to sell these. I have spoken with Tiger at Expos in past and from I have seen they are very ethical would would never sell to me direct as they are exclusive to Dragon as they put the hard work in and had them developed. I guess they would make something totally different for us, but Im happy with what Im selling.
Id also like to state that they are 3" and none have ever been returned or had any problem, and do carry a Dragon life time warentee.
From the picture
http://www.rotaryart.uk.com/acatalog/Dragon_Performance_exhaust_systems.html
you will see they are different to what MRP have posted, so cant comment on where they come from and who or what has been done to them.

I guess IF these are genuine Tiger exhaists they will verified by Tiger, perhaps someone could get Tiger to look at the pictures or confirm sales of these.
But I guess at the end of the day it just boils down to 2 vendors on the forum selling 2 very similar products.

Perhaps 1 of each could be put on a car and dyno\'d. That might settle who is better than who\'s. Might find an improvement could be made.

It would be nice if dragon were to be re-instated as every one should have a say, especially if they fill rightly or wrongly if they are being ripped off. If wrongly then Clive will be cleared and have every right to sell it as a Tiger system.

I remember the Hurley fiasco where it was allowed for Hurley to be slain on MRC by Clive as he felt strongly about his convictions and rightly or wrongly it was allowed until facts were forwarded and then with drawn.

Let MRP and Dragon have there say and sort this out for everyone to see, not just the one side. Then we will see fairness and the truth, then buyers will buy knowing exactly what they are getting. A genuine Tiger system or something put together pretending to be a Tiger system.

Not looking for aguement just facts, fairnes and clarity.

I\'ll ask Dragon to speak with Tiger and see if for research they will provide one of MRP exhausts (only if Clive is in agreement) would be interesting if they could be dyno\'d.

[banned advertiser]

My post is a bit redundant now as while typing others were posting.

As I staed in other post.

"I guess at the end of the day it just boils down to 2 vendors on the forum selling 2 very similar products".

[mjwebb48]

Dear Ross,
 
Just to confirm that we (TIGER EXHAUSTS) do not sell any MAZDA RX7 Stainless Steel Exhaust components to SHY Automotive.
 
I have not been able to view the image you mentioned, but I understand that it was a prototype of another company\'s product which we were asked to make some alterations to.
 
With regards,
 
Andrew Goddard,
TIGER EXHAUSTS LTD

Ross, just asked me to post the above. Seems contardictory to Clive stating in his first post that this is a Tiger Silenced Mid-pipe.
He also says that he has not been contacted at all by MRC and has not had the chance to put over his side of story. Just banned with no explanation.

[Laeeq]

Dear Ross,
 
Just to confirm that we (TIGER EXHAUSTS) do not sell any MAZDA RX7 Stainless Steel Exhaust components to SHY Automotive.
 
I have not been able to view the image you mentioned, but I understand that it was a prototype of another company\'s product which we were asked to make some alterations to.
 
With regards,
 
Andrew Goddard,
TIGER EXHAUSTS LTD

Ross, just asked me to post the above. Seems contardictory to Clive stating in his first post that this is a Tiger Silenced Mid-pipe.
He also says that he has not been contacted at all by MRC and has not had the chance to put over his side of story. Just banned with no explanation.

Well, banning and not let others have their say has become a norm here no surprise:2Rolleyes :3Confused

[FD3SNuttah]

Edited again (sorry i deleted my first line!)

Tiger are playing you lot for fools. Clearly are making an exhaust for all of you, perhaps giving them a different part number makes them different LOL

The fact is that you lot are arguing over something, getting excited is not really gonna change anything. You vendors should learn to play nice with each other when you get an issue like this.

[BlitzBoy]

Yep I agree its obvious that are making exhausts for both set of parties although different specs. So Tiger are not being fully honest with Ross perhaps.
But Ross still needs to be unbanned or can he join up under a different username if he is not allowed to use Dragon?

[FD3SNuttah]

perhaps you should un-ban Ross. Hes prolly screwing about this, i wouldnt like it if someone made me a promise then went behind my back and sold something very similar to someone else.

[Mazdarotaryparts]

This is my last post surronding this subject as with out resorting to brail as a form of comunication I will not be able to comunicate this any better than I have in my previous posts,


We have been invited by Rotechniks in the same way as Hayward Rotary have to distribute the following Tiger products


Tiger part number SSMA9 which is the part number for the mid-pipe in the picture shown again.

Also we distribute to fit RX-7\'s in the same manner the following,

Tiger part number SSMA9/C  ( this has a proper catalitic convertor in a 3" mid pipe)

Tiger part number SSMA9/B  (this is a straight cat replacement pipe)

Tiger part number SSMA8  (this is a single tip cat back system)


Unfortunately if Dragon wish to stop Rotechnicks distributing Rotechnicks own developed Tiger made products with the part numbers above, Dragon will need to take this up with Rotechnicks and not MRP/Shy or Tiger.
 
Obviously this is entirely a business decision of Rotechnicks who can sell their own product that is manufactured by Tiger to any person or company they and they alone wish to .

If anyone reading this wants to buy a silenced mid-pipe that is totally different from any Mid-pipe that Dragon has had manufactured by Tiger for them then MRP still has 4 of the currant batch of Tiger made midpipes available to sell should customers want them.

[MikeLMR]

Well, banning and not let others have their say has become a norm here no surprise:2Rolleyes :3Confused

Ross has been reinstated as a guest since yesterday and if you read this thread you will see the reason why his access was suspended. I still don\'t think this is the place for this dispute, it has nothing to do with the customers who buy these products and is purely between the companies involved 3 of which are nothing to do with this forum at all! So why do we have to deal with all this exactly?

[Laeeq]

Ross has been reinstated as a guest since yesterday and if you read this thread you will see the reason why his access was suspended. I still don\'t think this is the place for this dispute, it has nothing to do with the customers who buy these products and is purely between the companies involved 3 of which are nothing to do with this forum at all! So why do we have to deal with all this exactly?

Well i tell why yo have to deal with this exactly?

The owner of one of them 3 companies is also our club Chairman who has reported him hence his banning before last night.  They all have had their say except Dragon so is this all justified is beyond me? This thread shouldn\'t be here then as its got nothing to do with our club but for the interest of Chairman reputation and business its still here.

[Brett]

Laeeq,

 I think you have misunderstood the point of Mike\'s post.  We are of the opinion that these issues should be solved by the affected parties offline there is no place for it on the forum.  Dragon\'s access was suspended for the manner of the approach, and as with all suspensions this was then reviewed by the MRC team.

[peterwolds]

Laeeq its exactly as Brett says above better sorted offline it has nothing to do with MRC as a club irrespective of who the club\'s chairman is,please let this be resolved off the site so as not to inflame the topic any more .

[kev-yorks]

Well i tell why yo have to deal with this exactly?
 
The owner of one of them 3 companies is also our club Chairman who has reported him hence his banning before last night. They all have had their say except Dragon so is this all justified is beyond me? This thread shouldn\'t be here then as its got nothing to do with our club but for the interest of Chairman reputation and business its still here.

Just to Clear this up as club chairman Laeeq. I am not a owner of a company but shareholder/director of one. We do not advertise on here at all as it is not car related. I can only assume you where having a blond moment when posting the above.
Regards Kevin:rollin :rollin :Giggle

[Laeeq]

Just to Clear this up as club chairman Laeeq. I am not a owner of a company but shareholder/director of one. We do not advertise on here at all as it is not car related. I can only assume you where having a blond moment when posting the above.
Regards Kevin:rollin :rollin :Giggle

No its not you Kevin......my appologies;)