New toy WILL play :-D

[oldone]

not updated you in a while so here goes

1 - ECU arrived
2 - put ECU in
3 - stick clicking but not as bad
4 - spend about 4 hrs today trying to start it and it will NOT run
5 - its actually pumping fuel out the exhaust .. thats not good
6 - took all the plugs out - all wet
7 - checked each plug for a spark - 2 fine - 1 iffy - 1 non at all
8 - checked all the leads - they all work with a working plug

this is where its gets messy

9 - my mate came round to help
10 - so we decided to remove the alarm ignition side
11 - still no difference
12 - we have now removed the cat1 alarm - not happy about this really - but it proved the point that it was working fine ( mate says he can refit it - bloody hope so )
13 - removed the turbo timer
14 - still clicks
15 - but can be refitted

so thats it chaps - im at a complete loss - no idea what to do - it looks like a mouse has eaten the wiring loom

i know that i dont need the alarm as the car wont run - but i really liked the cat1 for the insurance !! - we can fit it back - its just that the car looks a right mess at the mo

i really dont know what to do or who to turn to ??

i dont know if its worth throwing money at it ( and money is very tight at the mo )

i was ****ed off before with the car - but now im at an all time low

i still dont know if its ECU thats throwing a wobbler ( although prof supplied me with an ECU )

plan now i think is

1 - speak to pip and try and get a N374 ecu to test ( or another tuner )
2 - if this works then yippeee
3 - if it does im really tempted to bundle this and the coupe and walk away from RX7\'s - im that ****ed off with it all - i really am

i cant believe it , i really cant

i dont know enough about them to keep working on them - i have no space to work on the car , its winter , its cold , it goes dark tooo early

im getting grief from the better half - i really i dont know what to do

before i was about 40% annoyed with the car - but now its about 85% annoyed

i think the main thing is the removal of the Cat1 - i really liked the remote central locking - yeah im that sad !! LOL



its very sad - im a 30 yr old man who wants to sit and cry at this moment intime

Stu / Grinder

Stu Stu Stu, thats why we love our ROTORS,they make us angry,sad,happy,pi$$ed off...........but when they run,oh boy ecstacy !!!!!!!:D :cool :cheers

[grinder]

Era,

i know what you mean - but is it really worth the hassle

im now thinking that it might not be the ecu thats at fault - the fact that that its still doing it with a different one

hell i dont know

Stu

[Grizzly]

Your main problem is the amount of Fuel about, even if the ECU was good you would be able to tell as it would just Wet the plugs as soon as you Turn it over.

You need a way to a. Check you have a Spark roughly at the right Timing, b. cut the Fuel without cutting the Ign surly with that amount of fuel and the Correct Timing etc it should at least pop and Bang when you turn it over with the Fuel off (maybe add easystart and it may give you a bit more of a Fighting chance)

I know Auto\'s need alot more fuel on Idle when cold to keep running which won\'t help, is there anyway of tricking it to think its warm??? Auto\'s are such a Pain in the rear, you can\'t even toe it which is what it realy needs at this point in the game.

Don\'t give up yet mate. You can do this, if it ran just before you got it then there can\'t be much wrong with it from what i have read i would lay money on its Flooded and the more you try the worse it gets so you need too change your Approach.... Don\'t let it beat you just amagen the feeling when it Kicks up. :yes

[Prof]

Sound advice all round - and I will clean up your old ECU so that you have a setup that was known working at some point.
 
If your not getting spark on one plug - is it a leading or trailing.  It should run without a trailing plug - just be a little lumpy.
 
Like others have said - don\'t give up on it, but maybe spend a bit of time with the missus and get her back on side :Ladys-man

[Grizzly]

Now that sounds a Plan..... Quality time with the the better half :yes

[grinder]

it was the PHYSICAL plug that wasnt working - the lead is fine - tried another plug in it and it worked

so would an engine run on 3 plugs ?

they are getting soaked in seconds

but why - is this just cause its an auto ??

it just coughs and then nothing

no flames , no banging , but literally fueling coming out a hole in the exhaust onto the floor - you could see it dripping

now why would it get soooooooooo much fuel ??

thing is now - im annoyed that it wont start , the dash surround is out , the clocks are out , the TT is out , the alarm is out , the centre arm rest tray is out and still its clicking

its like if i go back 3 days - i was at the same point - but the car still looked OK from the inside - its like we have just pulled apart a perfect system that wasnt at fault

im gutted to the pit of my stomach to be brutally honest - i can forsee a bad nights sleep ahead

to make it worse - we couldnt really afford the car - and i managed to convince her - and now this

im going to bed to cry

Stu

[Mobilemick]

5 - its actually pumping fuel out the exhaust .. thats not good

Try to start it without the fuel fuse in,  if i come to look at it, i`ll take the fuel fuse out, and crank it over with foot down, till it starts, (pausing every 6 cranks, so u dont burn starter out ) 99% sure its flooded,  get a good battery on it ,and you`ll hear it run

[Grizzly]

"so would an engine run on 3 plugs ?"

It Would\'nt run on any if it was Flooded enough but it won\'t help.

"they are getting soaked in seconds "

Thats why its so hard to start a Flooded Rotary, The Apex\'s scrape the fuel off the Housing and dumps it into the plug before it has Chance to fire.

"but why - is this just cause its an auto ??"

Auto\'s always run Rich on Cold start, that alone won\'t help if its flooded to start with.

"it just coughs and then nothing"

Becouse the loads of Fuel is being dumped into the Plugs its proberly one bath that has dried out a Bit (may have been parked with the inlet open etc) and you get one shot before the Fuel in the exhaust fills it back up and it floods again.

"no flames , no banging , but literally fueling coming out a hole in the exhaust onto the floor - you could see it dripping"

There is two reasons for this, the first is the Plugs are wet so they won\'t work (no spark to make it go bang) the second is it\'s so Flooded the air to fuel ratio is soo rich it won\'t fire.

"now why would it get soooooooooo much fuel ??"

Visous Circle, If the engine floods it won\'t Burn the fuel thats already there but it does\'nt know that its still sucking air in so it thinks all is fine and sticks the same amount of fuel in on each rotation, now the engine is designed in such a way that as it gets flooded it will Turn to liquid again and any liquid fuel will follow the apex seal round, some will get pushed into the Exhaust port but there designed with a sleav so all the fuel does is site in the Port and  slowly builds up until there is so much in there it runs into the Turbo and down the exhaust. This does not help at all with the Fuel in the Rotor, what often happens is there is SO much fuel knocking about that Liquid fuel can run back into the Rotor. As i say best bet is Trying to start it on Easystart with the Pump unpluged so there is no new fuel being dumped in but it will still be a pain in the rear.
 
"its like if i go back 3 days - i was at the same point - but the car still looked OK from the inside - its like we have just pulled apart a perfect system that wasnt at fault"

Yes but you where\'nt to know that.  

Can\'t you give it a Brake for a Bit? Chill out and do some thing with the Better half.

All your Hair is going to fall out at this rate.

[sadgoth]

Stu, I\'d echo the comments above, when I flooded mine 1/2 to death, I had to start it without the pump connected in the end as I couldn\'t get the thing to stop flooding as soon as I turned it over! In the boot under the carpet follow the wires from the silver coloured cover over the fuel pump back to the socket and disconnect it there, clean up the plugs, go through the anti-flood process then turn it over. (if you can time it right - reconnect the pump while it\'s running and hey presto!) Don\'t give up though, just take a few days off and spend time with the family.

[grinder]

yeah i know chaps

i dont even want to look at the car at the mo - you cant get into the drivers seat for the sheer amount of wiring

i think this is more upsetting than the car not running

its the meet tonight - so i get a night off - will get the battery on charge aswell

plugs are out , so every thing is drying - i prob need some new plugs for it to be honest - just need to find some now ( and no harm in this - i can always put new ones in the coupe ! )

its just getting ontop of me - thats all - and im now physically loosing sleep over it

Stu

[Grizzly]

its the meet tonight - so i get a night off - will get the battery on charge aswell

:2eek  BALLS!!!!!!! I forgot all about that. :2Rolleyes

[Grizzly]

its just getting ontop of me - thats all - and im now physically loosing sleep over it

Having a Night off is GOOD!!! Chill out.:guinness

[Brett]

Talk to me tomorrow during work Stu, and we will sort this out. (I refer you to my txt yesterday \'dont make me come up there\' ) :wave

[alban1973]

Yes, the offer is still there stuart,  Just remember, it is only a car, no one has died, or been hurt. ..  pm me...

[Mobilemick]

He passed me tonight, just has i pulled in his street, on a suprise visit to help.   oh well   lol