The price (£) of power?

[g11ary]

Originally posted by 20B_boy

Labour costs him nothing? if you tiled my bathroom for free - would that cost you \'nothing\' - on the basis that whilst tiling my bathroom you\'re not able to generate income from other customers - how\'s that free :rollin

How many times have u been to geff\'s and phil\'s been there? Engine building - I think he may have built one or two with guidance. Oh, hang on - does that mean thats 2 engines knocked off of the dead engines count? May be phil did build all of them then

Parts - you have no idea; Ask Phil how he thinks he\'s been treated by Geff and let us all know what he says, eh? Or I\'ll ask him next week when he\'s down for a couple of cans :rolleyes: Do you seriously think he\'d still be with Geff if he wasnt happy with him? May be theres just not any one else he fancies trying or thinks could do better??

I\'m under no illusion that there are other cars that couldve (can!) beat Geffs - Ross\'s I\'m sure will be a 10 second car any day now, Gary goodings could\'ve been/might be? Likewise Erdins and a load of others. Let\'s hope so as the only good thing that comes out of the bitching is that the competition gets stronger and UK Rotors get quicker, faster...

Last post from me on the subject for obviuos reasons so :wave [/B]

Ive sent my guys for free, if you have no work on a particular day or in the evening for friends. The web site you maintain and the domain you reg for Reworx, was that for free, or did you put a cost to that.

Several times I have seen him down there working, but if you now suggest he built all of them, what has Geff done.

So happy that at one time he was contemplating another marque of car or even a different engine in the RX. Until you or Geff talked him into spending some more.

Yes bitching can be good, lets others know what some people think of specialists, instaed of it all being hush, hush. Might stop someone else getting burnt.

How\'s your 3 rotor FD coming along, its been about 2 years down at Geffs hasnt it?
For someone who has no connection with Geff, a 2 year old  project thats way off being completed, PR man, web designer, domain reestrant, you seem to have you head far enough up his a8se.

[Carl]

Originally posted by 20B_boy
Engines blow up when you are developing - as Phil knows and appreciates; Geff and phil have a very good understanding and relationship between them - Phil wouldnt be as keen as ever if that were not the case. Making a reliable package takes development time and expense - and engines, as Tim, Carl et al appreciate I\'m sure; the MoTeC was an unknown that proved VERY(!) problematic  and with little support it was hard to get things sorted out with out trying, killing, rebuilding and trying again (you remember the first engine to go was Carls with Ianettis? so what chance did geffs motors have?). Thats how it is. 12 motors now is it?! I thought it was 7 the last time this came up?! I\'m sure some one is keeping count. Any way, hopefully with MicroTech or Power FC Phil will have a few racing miles under his belt... And as for money - Geff has presonally contributed thousands to their mutual cause in parts as well as hours - so please dont continue down that road.
 
 

Hi Rich,
It is important to get your facts straight about the engine that Phil ran with the Iannettis.My reputation is being wrongly brought into question here!

1.I did not and have never built Phil Gorriahs engine.Tim at RX motors did.I supplied the Iannetti\'s.

2. Geff fitted and tuned it to 491hp atw\'s.

3.It lasted considerably longer than all or most of the subsequent engines that have been so far built by Geff/Phil(Maybe the Iannettis held longer than steel apex seals).If you remember it did do one race and a whole day of very hard track day driving at Donnington in 491 atw hp tune,there is in car footage on MRC to prove it.If it had only done sprints then in all likelyhood it would have done quite a few races.
Remember that trackdays are usually 20 minute sessions,Sprints a couple of minutes at a time.(Maybe 3 or 4 in a day)

4. Many of the engines built later did not last more than a few hundred miles with steel apex seals(Mazda) and less power on some of them.

5.Well over 1 year is a long time to not compete because of so called development.

Kind regards
Carl

[Carl]

Originally posted by sadgoth
Hi Carl, that wouldn\'t be for a certain chap in Aberdeen would it? I only ask because if it is, he bought my blown Gen1 Mk2 as another development project! I know he has one of the original TWR cars and also a stock of TWR parts too.

No it isn\'t actually,
The guy who bought it has a few Jags to and seems to like TWR cars.
Kind regards
Carl

[gsb876]

Easy guys, let the track do the talking?

I usually go to Pip Gardner, seems to know his stuff @ WGT engineering can\'t complain so far:)

[bnaellis]

Looks like I don\'t have to log onto rx7club forum anymore for cheap entertainment. I tell you what why don\'t we see if we can get Jerry Springer on here to judicate.
Now some rotary gurus are more open than others about their engine failure some like to coverup their engine failures, some are honest enough to say I don\'t know about something some know everything already but fact remains that every rotary specialist in this country have one thing in commmon they have all built/tuned engines that have gone pop full stop. Some because of mistakes they made some not of any fault of their own but this basically puts everyone in the same boat the rest is down to personal preference.

Now back to the original topic. I know from speaking to the company that built my white car they have a 10.002 sec rx7 running 710 fwhp they pay particular attention to tuning the suspension for quick 1/4 mile times as well as the engine.
Having the suspension setup correctly can knock off considerable time. hence can have a 400+rwhp car running quicker than 500rwhp car over 1/4 mile if the former has better suspension tuning. So power itself is not evrything as far as 1/4 mile times are concerned.

rgds

[Carl]

Hi Brian,
I for one am in my own boat thanks!
I paddle my own canoe!
It is true that engines do go wrong from time to time,I know I have had my fair share.
(Robbie Calders 12000 miles,John Yorkes around the same i mileage believe,Clives over revved (cracked Apex seal found on disassembly) ,Gary Goodings wrong fuel pump, and a couple of others)all modded though.

One or two race engines have gone wrong,after winning overall championships though!

It is impossible for any engine to last forever unless they are never used.

It is downright wrong though to infer that we are all in the same boat,we all have differing knowledge and experience of rotaries and modding and tuning.That leads most definitely to various results.

This forum should have an area for customer results and satisfaction reports.I know if it did I would get some negative feedback,but hopefully it would give me the opportunity to resolve some issues that may have upset my customers,and get an idea how to improve my customer service and business.

Something that has disturbed me personally in the last few months is hearing of at least 3 cars that have had engines go wrong,and I reputedly have built their engines,only to find on investigation that I have had nothing to do with these cars,it is another builder who has done work on them.If you build engines then at least have the gut\'s to take instead of passing the blame for them when they go wrong!

Also when someone spends a very serious amount of money they rightly expect results,not a big mess.That is worth reporting on the forum to warn other customers.Especially if given the opportunity to fix their mistakes and they still stuff up.Either that or they should get their money back.

Kind regards
Carl

[Timrxmotors]

Smuggling in all those Iannetti seals!:rollin :rollin

[Carl]

Originally posted by Timrxmotors
Smuggling in all those Iannetti seals!:rollin :rollin

Don\'t get that Tim?
Kind regards
Carl

[bnaellis]

In your own boat or not the point is this has nothing to do with the the Guy\'s thread about the price of power. So if this is gonna turn into don\'t take your car there because x y z then maybe start a seperate thread on that but there is no point in posting further in this unless it\'s directed to the purpose of the thread.

rgds

[jay]

Well said Brian
 I\'m gonna start another thread on the subject, should be quite interesting......
 Cheers Jay..:wave

[Timrxmotors]

Originally posted by Carl
Hi Brian,
I for one am in my own boat thanks!
I paddle my own canoe!

Smuggling in all those Iannetti seals!





:rollin :rollin

[Carl]

Originally posted by Timrxmotors

Originally posted by Carl
Hi Brian,
I for one am in my own boat thanks!
I paddle my own canoe!

Smuggling in all those Iannetti seals!





:rollin :rollin

I see Tim!
kind regards
Carl

[Glenn Butcher]

Best thread to date on mrc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

[DRFTRX_82]

i can\'t even smuggle myself in a boat anywhere let alone smuggling parts from somewhere i\'ve never been. stupid coast gaurd always looking in my sh!t.

[Timrxmotors]

(Robbie Calders 12000 miles,John Yorkes around the same i mileage believe,Clives over revved,Gary Goodings wrong fuel pump, and a couple of others).

How many revs is \'over revved\'? I have logged 10060 rpm,and I know I have revved it higher.