got the fd dynod today

[Grant Monkhouse]

The M2R is still on James car!!, i like it, simple but works, again just needs time like any ecu but the car runs sweet on it.
Q. Guys with big ports when is your peak power and torque, as James makes peak torque at over 8k!! and we could go bigger but there is much more to porting than just the port face.
On his setup he ran a sub 10 at 145ish at .8 with a i admit peaky power graph, but suited to the application, i wouldn\'t run this type of porting on a road car.

Peak torque over 8k?? Which boost setting is that on? Saying that though what is the engine revving too?

[Grizzly]

Peak torque over 8k?? Which boost setting is that on? Saying that though what is the engine revving too?

All of them

[JayDee]

That was at 1.8bar engine revving to 10.5k on the dyno, the torque curve was very flat from about 6 to 6.5k only varying about 10 to 20 ft/Ib

Peak torque over 8k?? Which boost setting is that on? Saying that though what is the engine revving too?

[Grant Monkhouse]

Do you have a dyno print out of the HP and torque?

[Will66]

Grant, what WI kit are you going to use on your RX4?

[JayDee]

Somewhere yes, will dig it out

Do you have a dyno print out of the HP and torque?

[JayDee]

There is no reason why your car should be that bad to drive around town, especially on a haltech, well worth the time to get it running well. We have had a pfc running a semi pp!!

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I have the e11 v2 bargain price.

I don\'t know what to expect from my car until its running and rolling, I trust Carl in what he will have done on the porting and he knows that I prefer drag racing to anything else, if it\'s a :censored::censored::censored::censored::censored: to drive around town then so be it, as long as I can lay down a 10 without a cage I\'m happy. Then the cage goes in and boost goes up.

[Will66]

Call me weird but I would be disappointed if something that ran 10 second 1/4 mile passes was a docile machine around town.  I like the idea of something being a bit of a pig to drive slowly so it feels even more special on the open road or the track.  It is impressive that you can make something that you can take to the shops like your daily then take it to the track and run 10 second 1/4 miles or 56 second laps at Brands Hatch but I quite like the idea of driving some recalcitrant beast around town only to hit the throttle and disappear in a cloud of noise.

[Grizzly]

Call me weird but I would be disappointed if something that ran 10 second 1/4 mile passes was a docile machine around town.  I like the idea of something being a bit of a pig to drive slowly so it feels even more special on the open road or the track.  It is impressive that you can make something that you can take to the shops like your daily then take it to the track and run 10 second 1/4 miles or 56 second laps at Brands Hatch but I quite like the idea of driving some recalcitrant beast around town only to hit the throttle and disappear in a cloud of noise.

The question is at what point do you give up your Easy to drive half decent on juice FD and go big? 500hp? 600? you can make a 500hp FD very tame on the road imho there is no need until you start seeing big numbers, even then i think its all about who you get to port it / set it up. Personally i think there are very few people that can Set something like a Bridge up Properly. As Mr D says there is big diffrence between a Drag set up and Road.

[Grant Monkhouse]

There is no reason why your car should be that bad to drive around town, especially on a haltech, well worth the time to get it running well. We have had a pfc running a semi pp!!

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Was that eds car? Steve Garbutt had his full PP turbo setup running on the apexi, but they swapped it out for the Haltech I now own. He said even using the quick learn function with the Haltech the car was a different beast, it drove better at low rpms, and was much smoother and crisper throughout the range. This is why I bought the Haltech from him, if I would have had the money at the time I would have had the PP setup he was selling but didn\'t

[Grant Monkhouse]

Have either you, jaydee and grizzly, ever calculated the volume of your inlet piping and IC setups.

I did for my setup on my car versus a front mount setup using 3" piping instead of the 4" that I am using, and the 4" system has a lower total volume. Now what I\'m trying research and learn is air volume versus air flow as I was thinking my 4" piping was too big but like I said it is actually smaller in volume than a 3" piped front mount configuration.

So the volume being lower does this mean I have better flow? Or do I have less flow due to the size but have a large volume of ready to be pushed into the engine and helping with top end HP as small diameter plenums can be a restriction for top end power.

I personally think I am worrying about it too much but would like to know if it is right.

When the car is running I will know if it\'s working how I want it to be but until then iv got to learn/research.

[Grizzly]

Have either you, jaydee and grizzly, ever calculated the volume of your inlet piping and IC setups.

I did for my setup on my car versus a front mount setup using 3" piping instead of the 4" that I am using, and the 4" system has a lower total volume. Now what I\'m trying research and learn is air volume versus air flow as I was thinking my 4" piping was too big but like I said it is actually smaller in volume than a 3" piped front mount configuration.

So the volume being lower does this mean I have better flow? Or do I have less flow due to the size but have a large volume of ready to be pushed into the engine and helping with top end HP as small diameter plenums can be a restriction for top end power.

I personally think I am worrying about it too much but would like to know if it is right.

When the car is running I will know if it\'s working how I want it to be but until then iv got to learn/research.

TBH its hard to beat the way a FMIC cools a large volume of air quickly using the best source of outside air to do it.

The run length doesn\'t make as much difference as you would expect, on boost the air is traveling so fast that a good IC area to Charge contact is Important while keeping good flow and not causing a bottle neck, you can have the Inlet Charge going through a Block of ICE but if the volume of air is moving quick enough it will not be making enough Contact to drop the temps.

An example of this is a mate who went from a very good PFS SMIC with a cold air duct etc to a massive Blitz FMIC, now you would expect the response to suffer but because the air entering the engine was cooler and denser it made More hp all the way through the rev range.

I think V-mounts and FMIC\'s work the best for ovious reasons where SMIC\'s and Charge coolers simply can\'t handle the volume for prelonged periods.

[JayDee]

No not eds cars, all I did was re scale the table in vacuum as there is a small window the pp operates in, so it just needs more resolution in that area that\'s all!!  
Quick learn as in closed loop?

Was that eds car? Steve Garbutt had his full PP turbo setup running on the apexi, but they swapped it out for the Haltech I now own. He said even using the quick learn function with the Haltech the car was a different beast, it drove better at low rpms, and was much smoother and crisper throughout the range. This is why I bought the Haltech from him, if I ould have had the money at the time I would have had the PP setup he was selling but didn\'t

[Grant Monkhouse]

Have you seen my charge cooler?

The cookers rad is at back of my car underneath, piped front to back inside the car. With the amount of water volume on the system I don\'t think it will ever heat soak, plus I\'ve got pre turbo WI system going on there too:)

TBH its hard to beat the way a FMIC cools a large volume of air quickly using the best source of outside air to do it.

The run length doesn\'t make as much difference as you would expect, on boost the air is traveling so fast that a good IC area to Charge contact is Important while keeping good flow and not causing a bottle neck, you can have the Inlet Charge going through a Block of ICE but if the volume of air is moving quick enough it will not be making enough Contact to drop the temps.

An example of this is a mate who went from a very good PFS SMIC with a cold air duct etc to a massive Blitz FMIC, now you would expect the response to suffer but because the air entering the engine was cooler and denser it made More hp all the way through the rev range.

I think V-mounts and FMIC\'s work the best for ovious reasons where SMIC\'s and Charge coolers simply can\'t handle the volume for prelonged periods.

[Grant Monkhouse]

No not eds cars, all I did was re scale the table in vacuum as there is a small window the pp operates in, so it just needs more resolution in that area that\'s all!!  
Quick learn as in closed loop?

Closed loop? Could be. Basically input the target AFRs and just go out and drive it and press the q button. It maybe it\'s the k?? I can\'t remember. That was just used to get a half decent base map to work from.