got the fd dynod today

[Grizzly]

So it\'s only 1,000 rpm spool up slower but much greater power. Plus once your rolling you would be doubtful to go below that rpm, if a driver did then they clearly not drivIng hard enough

Yep i don\'t question having a single turbo is nice but Twins do the job and if your happy with the power Why spend the money? as i keep saying Twins make the best road cars, every one keep saying but this and but that, at the end of the day if properly maintained the stack of bills you have will be a lot smaller running 350hp on twins and on the road most people will be more than happy. Single turbos big or small are only done if you are sick of the 20 year old Twins assembly playing up if they have not had the proper treatment or simply want more power but for the Money, Driving experiance, being able to drive it fast with lower driver skill, wet weather driving etc etc etc Twins............. Before Going single really think about what your doing. First time i went Single turbo i was Gutted, i put a T04R on a large street port then ran it at 320rwhp LOL Dumbest thing i think i have ever done, looking back i should have wound it up but with the dodgy MPG, big clutch and Hard suspension it felt bad to drive as it was (found myself enjoying driving a Corsa so it had to go )

[Grant Monkhouse]

Yeh without a doubt your looking a 2k for a single conversion.

I really enjoyed the twins, non sequential, huge street port, it was great and when you got into it, it was very fast. But I wanted more as I gOt used to the acceleration, only thing I needed was a single turbo as I had all the supporting mods for a single. However I sold it to concentrate on the 4 and buy a house.

The setup in the 4 is going to be crazy, BP turbo street/strip car, running a Haltech.

What do you think to a better ecu on a street car, yes the apexi is more than capable but the ecu I have got and some of the new range is just amazing, setup is a lot easier using an afr table and the quick learn function;)

[Grizzly]

What do you think to a better ecu on a street car, yes the apexi is more than capable but the ecu I have got and some of the new range is just amazing, setup is a lot easier using an afr table and the quick learn function;)

Well tbh i have only ever run PFC\'s i did have a Haltech with the Haltech coils etc on a Turbo2 and it worked really well but tbh if i was going to buy a new ECU now i would have to decide if i wanted to Keep the OMP or not? I will be changing it at some point becuase i don\'t like using the stock Loom so pre mix might be the price to pay for that? but hey you can buy a M2R with a loom for less than a brand new FD engine loom and PFC second hand.

But i think the PFC is kind of the standard aftermarket EMS tbh.

[Grizzly]

I really enjoyed the twins, non sequential, huge street port, it was great and when you got into it, it was very fast. But I wanted more as I gOt used to the acceleration, only thing I needed was a single turbo as I had all the supporting mods for a single. However I sold it to concentrate on the 4 and buy a house.

Just out of Intrest when you say you had a Huge street port did you have cold starting issues?  I only ask because i have a ITO Wild port motor and even though its got really good compression it is a pig until its a bit warm even with all the cold start stuff still on and working, also i noticed at RS the cars with more agressive street ports didn\'t like starting when cold. But tbh mine is about as wild as you can go on the opening timing without a Bridge so maybe it just wants a decent map next time it goes in the car I\'m getting a bit of collection of motors here now i also have James old 9 second motor in the garage

[Grant Monkhouse]

Car started fine cold, even in minus temps in the winter when I went out in it. In those conditions
It even brapped. Carl said to me that we couldn\'t squeeze a bridge on there even if I wanted as it would be difficult and very small. My dad ported the irons using an RB template but then said they weren\'t big and went as far as he dare with advice from Carl. Even Carl said they were big. Lol

[JayDee]

Shouldn\'t really have starting and cold start problems, just needs time playing with the settings and sometimes ignoring the wideband!! That must be James old engine from previous tuner ;-)

Just out of Intrest when you say you had a Huge street port did you have cold starting issues?  I only ask because i have a ITO Wild port motor and even though its got really good compression it is a pig until its a bit warm even with all the cold start stuff still on and working, also i noticed at RS the cars with more agressive street ports didn\'t like starting when cold. But tbh mine is about as wild as you can go on the opening timing without a Bridge so maybe it just wants a decent map next time it goes in the car I\'m getting a bit of collection of motors here now i also have James old 9 second motor in the garage

[Grizzly]

O ok so yours where smaller than mine, These are not what you would call an every day Port they are much further than i or anyone i\'ve seen dare go, they leave the side seal unsuported which is a little mad and i think the Rotors are scalloped too (i\'ve had it a while so can\'t remember if it had that option) but hey it Works i have his Agressive street port template and he estimates them being 30% bigger than that LOL TBH it idles very Brapy so i think he\'s done the Primarys very large too and the timing must be verging on a Bridge. (guy i use to set up my engines isn\'t too hot on overlap turbo\'s which proberly explains allot)

[JayDee]

Pfc work and you can make the car run really nice and smooth, especially if you use all the settings it has to offer to help you, eg I have never seen one setting used which helps with throttle tip in no end!!
But it does not compare to a haltech or Motec, they take time to do right, but it is well worth it

Yeh without a doubt your looking a 2k for a single conversion.

I really enjoyed the twins, non sequential, huge street port, it was great and when you got into it, it was very fast. But I wanted more as I gOt used to the acceleration, only thing I needed was a single turbo as I had all the supporting mods for a single. However I sold it to concentrate on the 4 and buy a house.

The setup in the 4 is going to be crazy, BP turbo street/strip car, running a Haltech.

What do you think to a better ecu on a street car, yes the apexi is more than capable but the ecu I have got and some of the new range is just amazing, setup is a lot easier using an afr table and the quick learn function;)

[Grizzly]

Shouldn\'t really have starting and cold start problems, just needs time playing with the settings and sometimes ignoring the wideband!! That must be James old engine from previous tuner ;-)

Yeh its the Era/Reworx engine, more out of playing with an Overlap engine that hasn\'t cost me a fortune than anything else.

[zeppelin101]

guy i use to set up my engines isn\'t too hot on overlap turbo\'s which proberly explains allot

If you can make use of scavenging at lowish RPM there are enormous gains to be had in torque.

[Grizzly]

Pfc work and you can make the car run really nice and smooth, especially if you use all the settings it has to offer to help you, eg I have never seen one setting used which helps with throttle tip in no end!!
But it does not compare to a haltech or Motec, they take time to do right, but it is well worth it

Do you rate the M2R? I was told by a mate to go for the Haltech E11 v2 but there is a bit of a Price diffrence (can get the Motech for cupple of hundred quid cheaper ) Not really read up as its a job for the winter but as we\'re on the subject

[Grizzly]

If you can make use of scavenging at lowish RPM there are enormous gains to be had in torque.

Well last Bridge engine i had was a bit of a fail tbh but that was a few years ago (10+ years aprox maybe more) and i think they have progresed allot since then.

Don\'t get me wrong i like how they Pick up mid range but the off boost and every day driving MPG etc made me think they where not for me (didn\'t have a second car at the time)

Don\'t think i am a Noob when it comes to Porting i have built a few myself and had a cupple built by some big names Just doesn\'t mean i can set the dam things up

[JayDee]

The M2R is still on James car!!, i like it, simple but works, again just needs time like any ecu but the car runs sweet on it.
Q. Guys with big ports when is your peak power and torque, as James makes peak torque at over 8k!! and we could go bigger but there is much more to porting than just the port face.
On his setup he ran a sub 10 at 145ish at .8 with a i admit peaky power graph, but suited to the application, i wouldn\'t run this type of porting on a road car.  

Do you rate the M2R? I was told by a mate to go for the Haltech E11 v2 but there is a bit of a Price diffrence (can get the Motech for cupple of hundred quid cheaper ) Not really read up as its a job for the winter but as we\'re on the subject

[Grizzly]

Q. Guys with big ports when is your peak power and torque, as James makes peak torque at over 8k!! and we could go bigger but there is much more to porting than just the port face.

Well yes i learnt that unfortunatly, i went from "As big as poss" to as small as poss Thats why i look at it as the bigger the port the higher up the rev range you go. I know its not exactly right but its one of the reasons my Large Street port went more for opening than Closing and i would put money on the Port face had about 1/10th of the time spent on it next to the runner and Bowl. But you live and Learn

The engine i have just done has kept very close to stock timing, just tweaked a bit to get the peak power up a little and again allot of time spent on flow.

[Grant Monkhouse]

Do you rate the M2R? I was told by a mate to go for the Haltech E11 v2 but there is a bit of a Price diffrence (can get the Motech for cupple of hundred quid cheaper ) Not really read up as its a job for the winter but as we\'re on the subject

I have the e11 v2 bargain price.

I don\'t know what to expect from my car until its running and rolling, I trust Carl in what he will have done on the porting and he knows that I prefer drag racing to anything else, if it\'s a :censored::censored::censored::censored::censored: to drive around town then so be it, as long as I can lay down a 10 without a cage I\'m happy. Then the cage goes in and boost goes up.