What can I get out of this spec list?

Started by Jim_rx7, August 31, 2008, 07:38:13 PM

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Jim_rx7

Chaps,

I might be coming back to the world of Rx7\'s soon. I had one a year ago or so, the engine went pop and I performed an engine swap at the side of the road. :)

I then sold it, had a GTO, Skyline, Supra TT.

The car I might be getting has the following spec list :

Engine:

13b-REW Engine (3000 ish miles)
HKS Twin Air Filters
Air Pump Removed
Blitz Dump Valve
APL Intercooler
Aeromotive FPR
Walbro Fuel Pump
4 x 850cc Denso Injectors
Full Non Sequential Turbo Conversion
HKS Downpipe
Re-Amemiya Centre Section
Racing Beat Back Box
Apexi Power FC Commander


Just curious as to what the above should be putting out at the moment as it\'s running on stock turbos.

Also wondering what I could get out of it with the currecnt injectors etc if I were to go single turbo?

Am I right in thinking all I would need is turbo/manifold remap to go single?

m1tch

Try and have a look at this calculator:

http://rx7.com/cgi-local/3rdgencalc.cgi

Apparently the very limit on stock twins is about 400ish, knightsport twins apparently push more than that, but don\'t quote me, im an FC guy :)

Jim_rx7

Cheers.

So what\'s the most I could get from going single without porting the engine etc? The engine has not long been rebuilt, 3K miles ago. Don\'t think any porting was done at the time.

m1tch

Hmm well without porting the engine, a larger turbo might take a while to spool, perhaps its best to run on stock twins as they are matched to the stock porting and perhaps upgrade the injectors, fuel map and fuel system?

SiH

I\'d GUESS 360-370. I\'m running just over 340 on a similar setup but maxing out the stock injectors pretty much. (well. 93% peak!) on sequential with stock ports.

It\'s the fuelling that\'s holding me back at the mo.

Dr-Rotor

To go single you need the following. Turbo, Waste gate, New down pipe, New clutch, New manifold and a re-tune.
 
Stock ports with the injectors you have you can get around 350whp - 400whp depending on the turbo.
 
You will need a new clutch as the added power will eat the stock one.

interloper393

id rekon about 360atf bud, mine was 350 at 0.8bar on stock fueling with similar mods
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Jim_rx7

360 atf, not too bad.

How much does it hold it back by not having a ported engine? What would you notice if using a larger turbo on a non ported engine?

Tbh, I\'d probably only really go for about 450 to 500bhp atf max. Is this possible/useable on stock ports?

skybusr34

dont think 500 fly is possible on stock ports mate. i`d say 420fly or there abouts!!!
if i had 8 hour to cut down a tree. i`d spend 6 sharpening the axe

Jim_rx7

Iss there any porting work you can do to aid things without taking the engine apart? (seeing as it\'s not long been rebuilt)

BlitzBoy

Quote from: skybusr34;529659dont think 500 fly is possible on stock ports mate. i`d say 420fly or there abouts!!!

not strictly true, if you put a big enough turbo and run lots of boost you can do it, it will take ages to spool though lol

Porting helps to spool big turbos and a lot earlier, moves the peak power up the rev range and the power scope is bigger
"Piston Killa" 3rd Gen\'94 \'Oldone Racing Full Bridge Ported REW 13b engine with SCR seals\'. HKS T51 KAI turbo BBM mapped Motec ECU

JDS/HKS Street Class Championship Runner up 2011
Rotorstock winner 08,09
http://pistonkilla.blogspot.com/
old spec HB T51 470 @ wheels @ 1.2 BAR, 555 @ fly 10.46 @ 130 @ 1.25 Bar
new spec FB T51 482 @ wheels @ 1.15 BAR, 570 @ fly

New Project
"el fénix" RX2 by Mark & Mark

BlitzBoy

Quote from: Jim_rx7;530857Iss there any porting work you can do to aid things without taking the engine apart? (seeing as it\'s not long been rebuilt)

no it needs to come apart to port the plates
"Piston Killa" 3rd Gen\'94 \'Oldone Racing Full Bridge Ported REW 13b engine with SCR seals\'. HKS T51 KAI turbo BBM mapped Motec ECU

JDS/HKS Street Class Championship Runner up 2011
Rotorstock winner 08,09
http://pistonkilla.blogspot.com/
old spec HB T51 470 @ wheels @ 1.2 BAR, 555 @ fly 10.46 @ 130 @ 1.25 Bar
new spec FB T51 482 @ wheels @ 1.15 BAR, 570 @ fly

New Project
"el fénix" RX2 by Mark & Mark

BlitzBoy

with your mods on twins depending on tune about 300rwhp 360 flywheel, you can get more with water injection if you tune with it, putting a single on at 1 BAR will probably net you around 340 at the wheels at 1 BAR or just over, but each car/engine is different, some will get more some will get less
"Piston Killa" 3rd Gen\'94 \'Oldone Racing Full Bridge Ported REW 13b engine with SCR seals\'. HKS T51 KAI turbo BBM mapped Motec ECU

JDS/HKS Street Class Championship Runner up 2011
Rotorstock winner 08,09
http://pistonkilla.blogspot.com/
old spec HB T51 470 @ wheels @ 1.2 BAR, 555 @ fly 10.46 @ 130 @ 1.25 Bar
new spec FB T51 482 @ wheels @ 1.15 BAR, 570 @ fly

New Project
"el fénix" RX2 by Mark & Mark

interloper393

id say the to4e is the best all round turbo for a non ported engine and should see between 350-380bhp
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Jim_rx7