8 pot Brembo fitment?

[20B_boy]

But you can do some serious mods to the FD for the cost of a medium GT2 service...

...and you\'ll still have an RX7 worth £5K in a couple of years

Used to hate 911s but I\'m beginning to realise what fine cars they are :King

[Initial-D]

Cheers guys for the opinions and help calipers/rotors/pads.

The discs are going to be pretty damn heavy along with the calipers, compared to a lightweight ali AP setup. The brakes would probably be more suited to a lorry than a lightweight sports car but they would look and stop very well! Surely the larger disc area would help dissapate heat more? Although a good point about replacements, I fear four pads per caliper will cost me a bit! But you lot should know me by now!!

I\'ll get the tape measure out as they may not even fit! Willl let you know what I decide to do!!

If they don\'t go in - fancy selling your APs Fish!?

[Initial-D]

I thought that the KAD kits Dragon did had 378mm rotors, they fit under most 18" rims I\'m led to believe. I\'m more concerned about the actual calipers.

[20B_boy]

I\'ll get the tape measure out as they may not even fit! Willl let you know what I decide to do!!

You going to run your (cant remember what they are, i guess at) Grams? to save crying when u doink one, why not get some cheaper rims for the track(Compomotive for e.g.) - you can get them made to you spec offset-wise and if you give em your intended brake setups dimensions they will let you know if there will be problems or make them to fit. You could even sell the Grams and you\'ll have paid for your brake kit

[20B_boy]

I thought that the KAD kits Dragon did had 378mm rotors, they fit under most 18" rims I\'m led to believe. I\'m more concerned about the actual calipers.

"Most 18" rims" I know the KAD kits seem to use pretty big discs but thats big inside an 18" rim. I\'ve seen AP disc/caliper combos as small as 356 be too tight inside an 18 rim for them to be considered safe - went down to a 343 to ensure adequate clearance.

Caliper size is relative isnt it? the bigger the disc you are running the further the caliper will be toward the rim? i.e. you need to consider both caliper and disc size together, not one or the other on its own.

[Dan Norton]

Ben, the Porsche 6 pot calipers are actually very very good, that would be an easy and effective upgrade caliper wise.

Fish is absolutly right in saying more pots =\'s better brakes, and neither does the old query of thinking the biggest discs make better brakes, its finding the whole balance between caliper piston pressure, and even more importantly disc and pad friction/cooling/release properties and abilities.

If any of you get chance to read Wastegate Chatter (Mitsubishi Lancer Register club magazine) next month, then please do,we had our 2 piece discs and pads tested against the ap strapdrive/ap formula big brake kit, and alcon big brake kit, and we came out on top in all areas from driver feedback/stopping distances/time taken.. and it makes for some very interesting reading.

What i will say for those brembo 8 pots, is that they are a 4 pad arrangement (2 pads per side), there fore the pressure is evenly spread across the contact area of the disc and reduces pad kock off, and the feel/initial bite will be more consistent than a 2pad arrangement (1 pad per side) that may not get the full benefit from the pressure of the 8 pots (aswell as generating too much heat and uneven pad wear).
The other benefit for a 4 pad arrangment is the fact that the area between the pads creates another leading edge which helps with pad conditioning and initial bite.

Those kad/tarox/a.n.other 10/12 pot things are very much a gimic with tiny piston sizes that do not offer an effective pressure force for the pad to disc face contact.

Another option for you Ben (believe me i am trying to find as much info as i can from our japanese arm) with your JDM contacts, get in touch with Panspeed Japan direct and see if they will make you a set-up that we provided onto their rx8 and rx7 time attack cars.
What i have found out is we supplied the discs and float attachments, as well as the pads, but they had their own discs bells machined to their own requirements (so offsets could be different to standard, but you never know).

I have actually listed the fd3 on my wishlist of 2 piece disc applications to be manufactured, and as long as there is enough demand, then it will be made.

[iaint]

...and you\'ll still have an RX7 worth £5K in a couple of years

Used to hate 911s but I\'m beginning to realise what fine cars they are :King

Or lose £20k a year in depreciation on you 997 GT2...

Saying all that... I had a passenger ride in a RUF tuned 911 Gt2 (996 shape).  It was bought new from RUF and had their £40k tuning package on it.  641bhp.  191mph along Brunters with acceleration that just kept coming (we ran out of track).  Breaks that made my face feel like it was peeling off the front of my head and felt more composed at 191 than the FD did on the day at 150.

All that in a package that was totally driveable as a day to day car!

Blimmin brilliant cars.

[20B_boy]

Or lose £20k a year in depreciation on you 997 GT2...

Saying all that... I had a passenger ride in a RUF tuned 911 Gt2 (996 shape).  It was bought new from RUF and had their £40k tuning package on it.  641bhp.  191mph along Brunters with acceleration that just kept coming (we ran out of track).  Breaks that made my face feel like it was peeling off the front of my head and felt more composed at 191 than the FD did on the day at 150.

All that in a package that was totally driveable as a day to day car!

Blimmin brilliant cars.

Think GT2/3 prices are pretty stable atm so I\'ve been told. Guy we met last trip has a 1994 993 (I think, last of the air-cooled?). Paid 27K for it 5 years ago, has largely just paid servicing (non-Porsche main dealer) on it and expects to get anything from 18-22K for it now. Done a fair amount of Ring time, has a bolt in cage which reduces its value a bit along with the non-porsche servicing. Sounds pretty reasonable. Did a couple of laps in it with him, very composed and stable although not terribly quick (1500kg with 300hp or so?) - but felt rock solid.

You see the guys flogging their GT2 and 3s around the Ring, they look and sound awesome

[iaint]

Think GT2/3 prices are pretty stable atm so I\'ve been told. Guy we met last trip has a 1994 993 (I think, last of the air-cooled?). Paid 27K for it 5 years ago, has largely just paid servicing (non-Porsche main dealer) on it and expects to get anything from 18-22K for it now. Done a fair amount of Ring time, has a bolt in cage which reduces its value a bit along with the non-porsche servicing. Sounds pretty reasonable. Did a couple of laps in it with him, very composed and stable although not terribly quick (1500kg with 300hp or so?) - but felt rock solid.

You see the guys flogging their GT2 and 3s around the Ring, they look and sound awesome

True for the older cars but buy new and you\'ll lose most folk\'s annual salary in year 1!

The 993 is very cool and a few of the Guys I know who do the VMax events at brunters have very modified cars.  One or two knocking on the doors of 200mph.

They\'ve spent the equivalent of 2 or 3 500bhp FDs to get there though...

[antnicuk]

Think GT2/3 prices are pretty stable atm so I\'ve been told. Guy we met last trip has a 1994 993 (I think, last of the air-cooled?). Paid 27K for it 5 years ago, has largely just paid servicing (non-Porsche main dealer) on it and expects to get anything from 18-22K for it now. Done a fair amount of Ring time, has a bolt in cage which reduces its value a bit along with the non-porsche servicing. Sounds pretty reasonable. Did a couple of laps in it with him, very composed and stable although not terribly quick (1500kg with 300hp or so?) - but felt rock solid.

You see the guys flogging their GT2 and 3s around the Ring, they look and sound awesome

was that danny\'s red one?

[20B_boy]

Yes Ant, we spent most of Monday with Danny and his wife (Kim?), nice guy

[Dan Norton]

Have some posts been removed?

[Jono FD3]

D2 are selling a complete 6 pot kit on ebay for £1005 with monster discs too!!
Take a look, they are pretty sweet!

Jono

[antnicuk]

Yes Ant, we spent most of Monday with Danny and his wife (Kim?), nice guy

they are, i went with him last year and going again this year. Looking forward to it.   The silly boy only wants to go and buy a rex now, i will try and talk him out of it!

[Dan Norton]

D2 are selling a complete 6 pot kit on ebay for £1005 with monster discs too!!
Take a look, they are pretty sweet!

Jono

They are also pretty poor quality aswell.

D2/ksport/wp are all made in the same factory in Taiwan.