1st Day of owner ship and problems! :(

[hairyhoover]

Evening chaps, John spoke to reworx for me last week sometime, but he didnt have any luck, and has seemed to have given up on it.
So I sent a letter complaining on monday giving them 14days to respond. So pretty much counting the days now!
 
Im still toying with the idea of building it myself. I havnt driven the car the for 10days now, started her up today, and started in about 3 seconds!!!
not bad considering its only got compression on 1 tip out of 6!?!! any theorys?

[ro284]

Im still toying with the idea of building it myself.

Personally don\'t think it\'s up to you to do that matey, if you do you are accepting the faulty goods in effect! very dissapointing that RE WORX have not appeared to be helping in anyway! i\'d be using a hire car by now sending them the bill! i won\'t be taking my car there! Carl suggested you call him, Did you? he is Very helpfull by ALL accounts,
Bob

[johnf]

If your car only has one tip I can\'t see how you would get any compression.

Surely you would need two tips to create a chamber for any compression?

I just can\'t see an engine running at all with only one tip.


John

[Jit]

^^ that point was bugging me. a car will categorically not run with one tip. you need at least 2 tips to create compresion. Even then, surely itd have to be really good o that one tip to get it started.

[John Yorke]

Evening chaps, John spoke to reworx for me last week sometime, but he didnt have any luck, and has seemed to have given up on it.
So I sent a letter complaining on monday giving them 14days to respond. So pretty much counting the days now!
 
Im still toying with the idea of building it myself. I havnt driven the car the for 10days now, started her up today, and started in about 3 seconds!!!
not bad considering its only got compression on 1 tip out of 6!?!! any theorys?

I made enquiries as an indepenant 3rd party, as I understand it no monies passed through thier hands and the bill of sale clearly states sold with no warantee, I have not seen any documents from iether side and just going on both words.
As is usual on this site people jump in with both feet only having heard one side of the story.
Fact1  Car was sold as seen
Fact 2 Car drove perfectly well for the 3 months it was up for sale
Fact 3 Car was purchased with the understanding it had been rebuilt
Fact 4 Car drove 150odd miles without a problem
Fact 5 Car is still running in what condition noone knows

As I understand it the bill of sale was written out in the name of the former owner and sold as seen.
REworx in fairness have offered to discount the labour charge as a sign of good faith. It is not clear what happened once the car left Portsmouth, engines go pop from iether poor maintenance, defective electrics / fueling / overheating, tips dont just suddenly sh1t themselves something makes it happen.
I just hope Darren gets it sorted one way or the other, but, just blaiming REworx out of hand is not right, mind you I have come to expect nothing more from this site.

[hairyhoover]

I made enquiries as an indepenant 3rd party, as I understand it no monies passed through thier hands and the bill of sale clearly states sold with no warantee, I have not seen any documents from iether side and just going on both words.
As is usual on this site people jump in with both feet only having heard one side of the story.
Fact1 Car was sold as seen
Fact 2 Car drove perfectly well for the 3 months it was up for sale
Fact 3 Car was purchased with the understanding it had been rebuilt
Fact 4 Car drove 150odd miles without a problem
Fact 5 Car is still running in what condition noone knows
 
As I understand it the bill of sale was written out in the name of the former owner and sold as seen.
REworx in fairness have offered to discount the labour charge as a sign of good faith. It is not clear what happened once the car left Portsmouth, engines go pop from iether poor maintenance, defective electrics / fueling / overheating, tips dont just suddenly sh1t themselves something makes it happen.
I just hope Darren gets it sorted one way or the other, but, just blaiming REworx out of hand is not right, mind you I have come to expect nothing more from this site.

Hi again john, if a tip can let go because of "poor maintenance, defective electrics / fueling / overheating" could i have really any effect on these when just driving home?
 
The only thing i did was put 99 shell in the car from the petrol station near reworx.
Surely the 3month before hand would have been the key. With comment from Chris @ reworx like " we drove it like we stole it when we had it and it was fine" this was said after i brought it by the way, it sounds like it hard a hard life at reworx.

[rx7veilside]

With comment from Chris @ reworx like " we drove it like we stole it when we had it and it was fine" this was said after i brought it by the way, it sounds like it hard a hard life at reworx.[/QUOTE]

interesting quote and not exactly one to fill a buyer with confidence and so reworx sold this as a a favour and rcvd no financial gain either in monies or services
so why were they involved

[mullins]

Fact 3 Car was purchased with the understanding it had been rebuilt
Fact 4 Car drove 150 odd miles without a problem

[iaint]

I made enquiries as an indepenant 3rd party, as I understand it no monies passed through thier hands and the bill of sale clearly states sold with no warantee, I have not seen any documents from iether side and just going on both words.

Fact1  Car was sold as seen

In law any sale is a contract (exchange of items of monetery value).  In the case of selling goods there is, enshrined in law, the guarantee that the goods are fit for purpose.  

No amount of weasle words nor \'no warranty\' claims or even \'sold as seen\' can remove that contractual liability from the seller.

Private sales fall under a different heading than those that are commercial but...

In this context RE:Worx have, potentially unwittingly in doing a favour for a customer/mate, acted as an agent and the customer\'s comeback is almost certain to lie with them if it went to court and not the owner!

I just hope Darren gets it sorted one way or the other

Absolutely and, as there\'s no way it can be seen as reasonable that a car doesn\'t at least last the journey home.  The comeback will, should Darren force the issue legally, rest with either RE:Worx or the original seller.

just blaiming REworx out of hand is not right, mind you I have come to expect nothing more from this site.

Time for a new record John - this one\'s a bit scratched.  Had this topic been posted on FDUK then the same opinions would be found. :2Rolleyes :Yawn

REworx in fairness have offered to discount the labour charge as a sign of good faith. It is not clear what happened once the car left Portsmouth, engines go pop from iether poor maintenance, defective electrics / fueling / overheating, tips dont just suddenly sh1t themselves something makes it happen.

Brings into question the quality of the alleged rebuild and the competence of whoever it was who did it doesn\'t it?

If I were Darren and didn\'t get reasonable satisfaction from the seller (whoever that turns out to be legally speaking) I\'d want a decent second opinion on if it had been rebuilt at all.  It could be that the owner/seller was trying to pull a fast one?

[iaint]

Fact 3 Car was purchased with the understanding it had been rebuilt
Fact 4 Car drove 150 odd miles without a problem

These are good points to consider.  Failure could have been caused by an ancillary part (e.g. fuel pump, ECU, etc) and not be directly anyone\'s fault.

It would then be for the courts to decide if it should\'ve lasted longer from the sale before it could reasonably be expected to be the new owner\'s problem and not one inherited with the original sale.

I\'d suspect the lawyers would make the money on this one.

[Jit]

a lot might depends on the reworx rebuild as well. Does it have a receipt? What does the receipt state was done? If you want to have a legal case, it might be worth getting an independent specialist (maybe some one like WGT?) to remove the engine and strip it down as they may spot things that you may not. Especially if corners have been cut on the rebuild that contradict with the receipt you might have?

[oldone]

I am quite willing to strip the motor,owner present,photograph the whole proceedings.........to determine the cause of the failure.If another vendor is involved this might cause a problem.So to be frank,I will act as a 3rd party and only do the stripping down.The photographic evidance can then be used for whatever purpose.

[John Yorke]

a lot might depends on the reworx rebuild as well. Does it have a receipt? What does the receipt state was done? If you want to have a legal case, it might be worth getting an independent specialist (maybe some one like WGT?) to remove the engine and strip it down as they may spot things that you may not. Especially if corners have been cut on the rebuild that contradict with the receipt you might have?

I go back to \'sold as seen\' You all seem to miss the point this car was running and had been test driven by a number of potential buyers. I dont claim to have any knowledge of law, all I understand are facts and the fact is this car was running fine upto and including the sale, what happened after that is anyones guess, I do not blame Darren for the engine going pop [if it has] it could be any one of the ancillaries giving up after 12-15 years of abuse, I dont see any other tuner / builder  rebuilding for free if a fuel pump gives up or a coil breaks down,injector blocked- the car was cheap by anyones standard and was reflected in the bill of sale - sold as seen.
I am soooo glad I dont have a rotary business:3Confused

And Iain - the record might be scratched but it dont stop me playing it:p , if something more constructive was offered rather than the same \'few\' putting in the same drivel without any positive comments other than \'you are another poor victim\' Lets bash the builder / tuner, mind its the same guys that heap prase on the selected few - who can do no wrong:3Confused :Giggle .

[TRex]

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[ro284]

Another \'fact\' John York is that many guys in this club (me included) would have (previous to this) been impressed and re-assured by the fact that the advert had RE-WORX stamped or used all over it, and would have taken this to mean that the car could be bought with some confidence and that it would survive rather longer than the trip home!
I think ERA\'s offer is a good idea, and it would be nice for us all to know what is going on in this engine! Any idea how you are going to proceed Hairy?
Good luck, Bob