Black fd racing

[oldone]

Heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh.................:guinness :3gears-rh is it open season on Fiats now boys.:Hammer

[robedwards99]

Leave the man be. Let him post whatever he wants and be proud of the kill when it happens

[oldone]

Okay then.........:rolleyes:

[Prof]

Amazing - went away to JAE for the weekend, and the saga goes on !!
 
Trappy - have to say that I disagree with you on the 0-30 / 30-60 thing - I\'m not talking what it might say in a book mate - I own my car, and have daily use of it - and it takes longer to get off the mark than it does to do 30-60 - trust me - I know - after all this is my car and not yours we are talking about :spank
 
Anyway - I think it would be interesting to get some rotaries down to the next one of these speed test things - as this is a much safer and saner way of knowing what the real figures are.:yes

[Trappy]

boggo standard FD [backbox wont make much difference] from japan - 255 -265bhp

You have to ring the nuts out of them [tuning wise] to see 300fwhp all you have to do with a 7 [be it 2nd or 3rd gen] is change the exhaust and you are there plus the 7 is a much better looking car, goes round corners and by the sound of it dont spend as much time in the garage:rollin

hmmm... So you\'re saying that removing the cat on an FC or FD releases around 110bhp? A standard 255bhp rexc has 210bhp@the wheels and with a full exhaust you got 300rwhp (that\'s 365bhp at the fly with 18% losses)?

Are you even aware of the difference between power at the wheels and at the fly?

Oh and a coop on our forum did 0-100mph in 9.6 a few years back. 0-60mph was 5 secs...

[Prof]

hmmm... So you\'re saying that removing the cat on an FC or FD releases around 110bhp? A standard 255bhp rexc has 210bhp@the wheels and with a full exhaust you got 300rwhp (that\'s 365bhp at the fly with 18% losses)?

Are you even aware of the difference between power at the wheels and at the fly?

Oh and a coop on our forum did 0-100mph in 9.6 a few years back. 0-60mph was 5 secs...

I am guessing you haven\'t checked out any of John\'s other posts, otherwise you might realise he had one of the best track cars going until it was recently sold.  I would tend to take what he sais serioulsy.

For the record, changing the exhaust on any turbo car for a larger freer breathing exhaust will always release more horsepower - by definition - and here comes the science, if you have high pressure high temperature one side, and low pressure lower temperature the other side of a turbine, then some engergy was lost - quite a lot actually, and this is what\'s spinning the turbine.  The more pressure difference you can make, the more work you can put through the turbine - the greater the boost.  More boost means more power.  This is also why putting a big fat pipe on an NA car like a saxo is a complete waste of time and may even cause a power drop as the engine was designed to work into back pressure. :spank

You seem to have lots of figures and facts at your finger tips - how about learning some formula and getting some real world experience to go with it - then you might be cooking on gas trappy.:2Rolleyes :2Rolleyes

[John Yorke]

hmmm... So you\'re saying that removing the cat on an FC or FD releases around 110bhp? A standard 255bhp rexc has 210bhp@the wheels and with a full exhaust you got 300rwhp (that\'s 365bhp at the fly with 18% losses)?

Are you even aware of the difference between power at the wheels and at the fly?

Oh and a coop on our forum did 0-100mph in 9.6 a few years back. 0-60mph was 5 secs...

Wow we we now have FWD car with a 0-100 time quicker than most exotica:flamed

You might want to read my post again I quoted 300FWHP with exhaust mods NOT 300WHP now when I was at school [which I now think you are still in attendance]that made about 45hp gain, if you look at the stock exhaust you would understand why that is so

[Trappy]

Apologies then, I took FWHP as front wheel horse power as I\'ve often seen RWHP quoted.

You have to understand though, that for a FWD car to get 9.6 secs, it must be faster than a rwd car when rolling that can get the same?

[Frankie]

Apologies then, I took FWHP as front wheel horse power as I\'ve often seen RWHP quoted.

You have to understand though, that for a FWD car to get 9.6 secs, it must be faster than a rwd car when rolling that can get the same?

Who cares? Your car cant do it so what does it matter?  All we get from you is figures. When you have a working car come and meet us.

And proof that this guy is just a windup, quotes you made on your own forum.

Yeah but i like the way that they give in one by one, until they can do nothing but agree. Every point is systematically broken down and disected until they have nothing to say. No stupid name calling, no slagging off their cars, (which i like) and no bad press for us guys.

Plus hours of entertainment to keep me happy while the coop\'s off the road. That\'s why I never meet them, i only do it when the cars in the garage lol.


I call them the rabble. All jap car forums have them. They clear off after the laughs go. You just have to be a little persistant to seperate the decent ones. Had the same thing on the skyline forum a few months back.


Didn\'t take long for the guy to get shot down.... which was nice  

[Trappy]

How about this for a quote?

Got a post off the coop forum and was wondering if it was anyone on here? No idea where cos it wasn\'t me that saw it...

Do you not see what happens here? I post something, one of you asks me a question and i answe it. Some one asked me,what the fastest of our cars can do, then when i answer you say, who cares it\'s not your car...

I\'ll tell you who cares, John York, he asked it!

Sort it out mate.

[Trappy]

I\'ll ta ya what, next time i see an RX7, i\'ll ask who it was with a different screen name. Maybe then i\'ll get the answer i\'m after!

[Frankie]

How about this for a quote?

Got a post off the coop forum and was wondering if it was anyone on here? No idea where cos it wasn\'t me that saw it...

Do you not see what happens here? I post something, one of you asks me a question and i answe it. Some one asked me,what the fastest of our cars can do, then when i answer you say, who cares it\'s not your car...

I\'ll tell you who cares, John York, he asked it!

Sort it out mate.

What he actually said is \'organise with your forum a team of 10 cars, say your biggest HP ones, a couple of these 300hp ones and a few standard, we will supply the same and have a shoot out...\'

The end of August (provided you don\'t dream up an excuse) can\'t come soon enough.

[Trappy]

What he actually said is \'organise with your forum a team of 10 cars, say your biggest HP ones, a couple of these 300hp ones and a few standard, we will supply the same and have a shoot out...\'

The end of August (provided you don\'t dream up an excuse) can\'t come soon enough.

You quote the second half of the post denying the bit that I answered... Why do that? He said

"When you can make one of these Cooops do a 4sec 0-60 a sub 10sec 0-100 I might ..... just might agree they are worth tuning"

So i said we can? Are you wearing bifocal lenses or something? Tip ya head back and you\'ll see all of the posts mate

[royal]

FFS Trappy you come on here and, apart from a few comments due to you sounding like a joker, you get a quite respectable welcome. Why go to the bother of trying to disect what people say? Its all simple facts that arn\'t hard to work out for yourself. The Coop may be a faster car than the average FWD but it still won\'t go around a track anywhere near as fast as a Rex/skyline/\'insert the majority of jap performance cars here!\', and it wont be able to cope with big power mods and still be particuarly fun to drive. Its a simple fact that any competent driver knows a rear wheel drive car is favourable for performance driving (or 4wd
 Also the RWD/AWD cars will always be a better performing base to use as a foundation for modding whether it be drag, track, fast road or whatever. It just so happens that jap ones are particuarly suited to modding due to the japs love of it.

[Trappy]

I know, i totally agree with all of that. Have i ever said otherwise?

This had all finished and I was having a decent discussion with Prof about his car and performance times, and he had actually taught me a bit about turbo science. That\'s why I posted on my own forum about the rabble that have gone and i\'m finally beginning to learn something?

I\'ll tell ya what, leave it :WaveBye