What to buy Apexi PFC or Intercooler

[Stu.Wilson]

Any suggestions please, i have a little spare cash next month and have decided to treat myself. Now not sure what to treat myself too! it\'s hard life! LOL

It\'s a choice between a PFC or Greedy Intercooler - i really don\'t know what to get (or do ya have to have a PFC before you can get a uprated intercooler?)

Now what i\'m running is pretty standard (induction kit, Straight through exhaust de\'cat, apexi AVCR and stock tubs)

Any advice would be great.

Cheers Stu

[banned advertiser]

PFC with out doubt, just mapping the car will make it safer, faster and able to take ad on later.

[Stu.Wilson]

Cheers for quick response, was thinking PFC. Now how much do these typicaly cost to get mapped? and can you run them on the base map?

Cheers Stu

[banned advertiser]

you can run them on base map, they are extemely rich, I heard £500 mentioned, you would need to speak to whoever you are going to use to get a guide.

[20B_boy]

The base map isnt great tbh.

FYI, we charge 300-350 inc vat for tuning power fc.

[Stu.Wilson]

Great stuff, looks the PFC is the way forward then. Shall pop it at the top of my list then! lol. Thanks for the input.

Cheers Stu

[igy]

When you get the pfc you can sell the AVCR, because the pfc controls boost.  Take the money from the AVCR and use it towards tuning.

[banned advertiser]

The PFC does not control it effectively, imho you will still need a boost controller of some discription.

[Jono FD3]

Or you could hold on to the cash and get the IC the same time, & get the car mapped with the IC fitted...... Save you mapping it, then having to re-map it when you fit the IC???!!!!!

Jono

[Stu.Wilson]

Or you could hold on to the cash and get the IC the same time, & get the car mapped with the IC fitted...... Save you mapping it, then having to re-map it when you fit the IC???!!!!!

Jono

What i\'m now planning on doing is getting the PFC & then running it on the basic map until purchase IC about summer time (july), shall then get it mapped. I\'m under the understanding these PFC can self learn to a degree? so should be ok to run it a bit rich from may ta july.

Just a case of searching for the best PFC deal now though, seen some on Ebay but just not sure about importing from Japan. Just feel safer in the UK, Home ground and all. Unless any1 has heard good feed bk from direct buys from Japan?

Cheers Stu

[Oedipus Rex]

the best mod I ever did out of abut 4k\'s worth of mods was the PFC. It will run rich as hell until you get it mapped but the difference you\'ll find on a base map with a straight through and an induction kit is instantly noticebale. As soon as you can afford to get it mapped do, the bhp increase is hugely noticable, especially with the couple of basic mods you have, it will open up the power massively.

Agree with the comment about it being poor at controlling boost though. I had the same mods as you plus a street port and when it got on the Dyno it was found that no matter what my settings the boost was going off the scale and it was uncomfortably lean.

A good boost controller is a must with a straight through exhaust.

[vxer]

Just a case of searching for the best PFC deal now though, seen some on Ebay but just not sure about importing from Japan. Just feel safer in the UK, Home ground and all. Unless any1 has heard good feed bk from direct buys from Japan?

A couple of guys have ordered from there and got the goods. Some have had to pay customs, some haven\'t. Its a gamble: on the one hand you could get a nice cheap PFC, on the other you could wait for 2 weeks for it to arrive and then end up paying the same as in the UK due to customs etc...

I\'m after one as well, maybe we could do a group buy of 2!

Ta, Paul.

[20B_boy]

Agree with the comment about it being poor at controlling boost though. I had the same mods as you plus a street port and when it got on the Dyno it was found that no matter what my settings the boost was going off the scale and it was uncomfortably lean.

A good boost controller is a must with a straight through exhaust.

On the assumption every things plumbed in right and working properly, its not a boost controller u need so much - more to put some restriction back in the exhaust. This has been said a 100 times; the wastegate in the twin turbo pack is only so big - and can only be ported out so far. If your super free-flowing exhaust outflows what your w/gate needs to by-pass from the turbines in order to maintain your target boost - no boost controller will fix it. The wastegates physical size and thus flow ability cannot bleed enough gas away from the turbos to prevent them exceeding the boost you want. A boost controller will help control your boost curve to a degree - but if cant make the wastegate flow more, just open earlier etc to get a head start.

[Stu.Wilson]

Good news is have no problems with boost, i\'m only running .85 on the AVCR. Mind you not sure what is safe to run on the stock setup? but am very happy with the power delivery, mind you wouldn\'t say no to a single tub! one day! LOL.

I E-Mailed the company on Ebay last night and also checked out the credability of some of there feedback. Seem\'s ok, always get little nervous when buying on Ebay. But up too £500 on Paypal your covered by the looks of things.

Now the bloke from this Ebay company said bulk discount starts at 5 units and what ya get is free shipment. So thats £30 and he also said they would mark the items as gifts, so to try and avoid extra cost at customs (not sure how legal that is though? haha). I estimate total cost if all tax is paid, at around £490 (£400 of which is for the PFC), could be wrong though.

If anyone is interested in group buy then let me know, will be ordering mine real soon.

Cheers Stu

[vxer]

If anyone is interested in group buy then let me know, will be ordering mine real soon.

Doh!

Just ordered mine from him....  :rolleyes: