Slow FD gets the win!

[BlitzBoy]

Carl gains his own criticism by his actions on forums, soo many times he quotes a power figure in the 9 years I have been a member on this club, then when someone asks for a dyno print out to back it up, it never comes, he has made a rod for his own back as it were by doing this, hence why people laugh behind his back, I have only seen two dyno printouts from him over the years.

If he never quoted a power figure when he posts then he would gain respect, as people would just see his circuit results and say well done. So when a person asks oh how much power has that car got, Carl should say I dont know rather then guess and pull a figure out of thin air.

Now it seems there is a dyno chart out there for Putts fine track FD, and club members would be interested in viewing this, it will probably get Carl more business as well, so post it I say, only time i say bull**** on dyno charts is when they are from american dynos. Any cars dynoed in the UK are or less bang on.

So post the dyno chart Carl and gain some respect back

[RamoNZ]

This car has recently made 450rwhp on low boost of 1.3bar iirc, car has been mapped too more than that but knocked down for longevity as it gets used in anger a lot, and doesn\'t need that much power.

 

That 450rwhp was on about 1 bar boost Grant. it usually runs around 1.3 bar to 1.4 bar.

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Cos dyno figures are very easy to make up and fiddle

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I go by how a car performs against viable opposition.Cars that win clearly have the power.

What was the horsepower at 1.4 bar if it made 450@1bar??
 
When it was tuned to higher power than that then what was the peak hp and boost it reached before it was turned down for longevity?
 
Was that peak reached still with the stock pump? And can I cheekily ask about flow and pressure figures again? I feel like I am asking for someones sisters phone number - whats up with the secrets?
 
The only thing I would add and is that HP isnt the only factor that wins races - Driver, weight, suspension, brakes and tyres are all huge influences into what makes a racing car win. On top of that, a HP figure on its own also doesnt mean much - its the power delivery to match the chassis and grip that also plays a hand. All credit for the win, but the engine is like a member of a band - nothing without its other parts
 
Lastly - awesome power Blitz! Mega
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[Grant Monkhouse]

I honestly don\'t think it would stop. Blitz is the most tame about all this stuff whereas there are other people that will just continue with the bashing on open forums.

I have seen the dyno sheet for 450rwhp but I can\'t find it now from where I saw it:( the car performs in what it is raced in so is there a need for it? I have only ever seen blitzes car dyno maps and one of James willadays car. I have never seen one of robs drag car but that\'s supposed to be in the 700hp region. Iv never criticised it as its a fast car and performs so I don\'t need to see the dyno print out

[BlitzBoy]

Robs dyno print has been on fduk showing circa 550rwhp when it wheelspinned the dyno, even with people in the boot to get grip lol, it really needs to go on a hub dyno to get a real figure.

No there is no real need for a dyno print if the car performs, but there is a need when Carl quotes an actual figure, dont quote a figure unless you can back it up is my advice.

450 rear wheel hp at 1 bar is awesome quoted by Carl thats why so many people want to see the dyno chart

[Grant Monkhouse]

Has it? I haven\'t been on fduk for some time now, and don\'t intend to back in there. Prefer it here as I have superpowers;)

Carl hasn\'t been online since dinner time today so I doubt he\'s seen all this.

Surely you must have robs car higher on HP now the s480 is on there?

[BlitzBoy]

Surely you must have robs car higher on HP now the s480 is on there?

probably , but the power delivery is to brutal for the dyno I normally use its like an off on switch when it hits and and just wheelspins,needs to go back on a hub dyno next year like James cars did in the end to get a true figure

[Brett]

Just to mix things up, and to remind people why we are all here posting:

[Grant Monkhouse]

probably , but the power delivery is to brutal for the dyno I normally use its like an off on switch when it hits and and just wheelspins,needs to go back on a hub dyno next year like James cars did in the end to get a true figure

Good stuff. Surely it will help you smooth out the maps and everything then. I saw you with your laptop at rotorstock on robs car, I know you change things for the day but the dyno will give you your base line won\'t it for adjusting at the track?

[Grant Monkhouse]

Torque is for towing Brett. Or drifting.

[BlitzBoy]

Good stuff. Surely it will help you smooth out the maps and everything then. I saw you with your laptop at rotorstock on robs car, I know you change things for the day but the dyno will give you your base line won\'t it for adjusting at the track?

correct dyno work gives us a good place to start from, work on the track from using the logging from the different sensors helps to fine tune in actual race conditions

[Mir]

Carl where r u?

Mir

[HaywardRotary]

Dyno figures are bar talk. Simples.
If we build a 10 second car what power does it have?
I dont matter, its a 10 second car.
I have no wish to show dyno figures of what i have in fact already shown in the past cos it still gets ripped by amateurs, certain people who think they are the best at this game but they pop engines and dont hold their hands up but just blame bad ignition and the like which THEY should have spotted. These are people who dont offer any warranty for what they do or take any blame when things go wrong.
We do this for a living, we do the complete package not just bits and then blame others when it goes wrong, the buck stops with us if there is an issue.

If you tune part time as some do thats the easy bit.The hard work is the building and fitting and tuning, not just letting someone else do that and then tune it up, oh and then you can walk away when it goes wrong cos it cant be your fault.LOL!!

These cars have issues all the time that we deal with everyday, and I can be certain that any one who does not do this for a living just does not get their hands dirty with all of the litle idiosyncrosies that these cars develop. Those problems are tedious to deal with but we do just that day in and day out.
Your part timer never does that and wouldnt even know where to start.

[HaywardRotary]

Carl where r u?

Mir

Busy working on the type of problem that most people dont know where to start!

[HaywardRotary]

Oh and stock fuel pump 10 second RX7 built by Hayward Rotary and tuned by Hayward Rotary at Shakespeare raceway running T51 kai, 1.2 bar boost 11,500 rpm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmEETGY3eF0

People can choose what HP it was making.

[BlitzBoy]

Dyno figures are bar talk. Simples..
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if that was the case why say to people you have built numerous 500 and 600 bhp cars if you believe quoting power figures is "Pub Talk"?

If that was the case why quote on this very thread 450 rear wheel hp at 1 bar if you think its pub talk?

Just dont quote power figures at all Carl, just dont do it.

There is a dyno graph out there showing 450 rear wheel hp at 1 bar because Grant has seen it, so why not post it?

You found it VERY easy Carl posting your clip of your 10.8 second drag car, so why not post the 450 rear wheel hp dyno chart??? whats the difference?:confused: