Does anyone have a Cage?

MikeLMR · July 10, 2003, 09:26:40 PM

don\'t need an E-mark to pass an MOT

Grizzly · July 10, 2003, 09:35:14 PM

Where will it be on the Harness?

I have two Sabelt FIA Approved Professional 3" 4 points, i went for the best quality ones (you know seat belts and all) but i cant for the life of me see an E on them? Should it be on the harness itself?

Ok is there two types, one ment for the road and one just for Track?

The only thing i can see on them is "Comform to FIA standard 8853/98-8854/98"

Chris

Grizzly · July 10, 2003, 09:37:52 PM

Ok Panic over.

BTW are Sabelt any good? Sounds daft but there was loads of them, i asked the sales guy who said as long as i get a good quality Buckle and 3" Straps i\'ll be fine. So that what i did.

Chris

MikeLMR · July 10, 2003, 09:38:34 PM

some of the non FIA ones have an E mark

You do not have to have an E mark on ANYTHING for an MOT (My dad works for the Vehicle Inspectorate)

t2rew · July 10, 2003, 10:17:10 PM

as far as i know there is the really good fia approved one with the fancy buckle. this is not road leagl. then there is the clunk clic type that are. my brother is a mot tester

MikeLMR · July 10, 2003, 10:19:21 PM

nope they are still legal

MikeLMR · July 10, 2003, 10:23:26 PM

not concrete proof I know but lots of supercars come fitted with them as standard.

If your MOT tester fails them ask him to point out exactly where in the manual it says that they are not legal

MikeLMR · July 10, 2003, 10:43:56 PM

This should solve it ... just had a look in the latest manual and this website is up-to-date

SEAT BELTS

No mention of E markings but must have a British Standard

I\'m really confused now :confused:

EMMISIONS TESTING

MOT INSPECTION MANUAL

if anyone wants there own manual the ISBN number is 0-11-552074-0

Main thing is a car is safe and I\'d rather be in a car with FIA approved belts than in a car with standard belts ... Stupid Red tape

t2rew · July 10, 2003, 11:10:06 PM

say something about types on page 4-9. i couldnt find it.

MikeLMR · July 11, 2003, 01:26:16 PM

right my dads done a bit of ringing round at work (thanks)
and has the following info.

Note 3:
An adult harness belt comprising a lap belt and shoulder straps bearing a British standard marking is an acceptable alternative to any of the seat belt types listed.

An E marking is an acceptable alternative if no BS marking is found on the belt ( I think only older belts will have BS markings now)

FIA markings are not currently accepted but if someone can proove that the FIA standards exceed the BS or European standards they will change the information to include them :cool

It may mean your MOT insector has to ring the VI to confirm this but in theory they should be legal (WRC cars pass an MOT so in theory the FIA belts should be approved already, might just take some more digging)

Mike

Fish · July 11, 2003, 04:35:56 PM

:flamed

MikeLMR · July 11, 2003, 05:33:44 PM

:p I was wrong ... well kind of

richrx · July 11, 2003, 05:42:26 PM

"the camshaft belt is in satisfactory condition"

there are probably hundreds of phrases like this but would that not mean that the rotary should fail:rollin :rollin :rollin :rolleyes:

t2rew · July 12, 2003, 06:36:26 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by MikeLMR
:p I was wrong ... well kind of

well i think we got a bit tangled up there. we were confusing legal with MOT able. i spoke to my brother and he said ,, as you did, that as long as its mouted properly and there are no frays in it and it fastens then it will pass an MOT. the law says fia is not exepable. so you will get through an mot but if your stopped by a smart copper he might be able to nic you.

a good example he said to me was that for MOT purpose , you have to be able to reed a number plate and then it will pass a test. if it was pink with green letters but you could reed it then thats good enough but i dont think the old bill would like it.

its like lights having to work,,,, if it doesnt have any then they dont have to work:cool

MikeLMR · July 12, 2003, 09:17:30 PM

yep spot on ... the MOT is just a test of the condition of the vehicle ... otherwise testers would have to be checking all the lights for E-marks and other parts etc. etc.

now SVA tests are another thing ... for example you can pass an SVA with bald tyres as long as they are the correct speed and load rating ... and you can pass an MOT with tyres that do not have the correct speed or load rating but have enough tread !

like I said ... red tape :reallymad