The Gov/Fuel debate.

[gsb876]

Sadly i think there is absolutely nothing you can do about the price of fuel, no one will act on a full on strike as its too hard to get the word out to every single person. Refusing to drive will add more work load to the average person and for those who work far away is not feasible.

The best thing that most can do is park up the big cars and buy a small everyday car for better mpg, and when you can afford to take the big car out for a spin.

If i ever buy another RX it certainly will not be a daily driver as the last one only returned 12-14mpg :Giggle

[Jono FD3]

the thing witht he mass public transport thing is peopl ebased in rural areas.... I live in a fairly big town and we get a bus every hour near as damb it and places further out get very little or no transport facilities so rely on their car 100%
Show you how much fuel has gone up, the MR2 when I got it less than 2 years ago cost me £44 to fill up from red light coming on..... the other day I stopped the pump at £60!! what the hell is going on!!! The other thing that rubs me up the wrong way is when people get payed £80k plus and do less work than someone on 20k and as a result fuel prices don\'t have as big an impact on them as they have the finances to take the increases.... if polatitions were\'t payed as much, they would feel the pinch like the rest of us normal people and be more inclined to do something about the situation!

[gsb876]

most gov officials dont drive they get driven hence never have to fill their own cars.

Infact i believe that Gordon Brown did not even have a car license

[jetpilot]

Suggestions of getting more economical cars make sense, but only in the short term! Yes, you may notice the difference now, but in say two years time and fuel has risen more and more you will be in the same boat and perhaps unable to find a car thats any more economical. If i wanted to change to something more economical now for work, i would have to spend double to make it a worthwhile trade so how long would it take me to get that back on the difference?

I have been having a similar conversation on another forum!

My big question that no one on there wants to address is, why is jet fuel, duty and vat free? Surely adding a very small duty on that would offset the need for constantly increasing diesel/petrol/lpg duty? Sure your holidays may go up a little, but is that a high price to pay for taking the burden of everyday fuel costs?

I would also say i see air travel as the most polluting, i think i read the average long haul flight is the equivalent of a years motoring for each passenger on board and i would guess 50% of air travel is a luxury!

[Hi RX7]

Totally agree about the aviation fuel.

[shaunwil]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-airlines-16310bn-government-fuel-subsidy-842770.html

Shaun

[jetpilot]

I dont fly much, or at all for that matter, but from what i understand, flights costs less and less these days.

So, in light of vat and duty free, why are the gov (any gov for that matter) reluctant to put duty and vat on aviation fuel? Whilst the general motorist gets raped, air travel companies go on making huge amounts of profit!

[shaunwil]

Could be the international nature of Flights. What is to stop them not filling up in the UK ?

Although there isn\'t an issue for the government if they don\'t get anything out of the deal now.

What would it cost for the average punter if they placed 1p duty and tax on an average flight ? They seem to quote aviation fuel by the tonne !

Shaun

[shaunwil]

Current aviation fuel cost is 75p per lt, so would add at least 15p per lt even if they just put vat on it !

http://www.ppp.shell.com/prices.aspx

Would a Rotor run on aviation fuel ?

Shaun

[jetpilot]

I would think on international flights, they fill up when the leave and before they come back.

It sure is a curious one!

[BlitzBoy]

If we put duty on aviation fuel some air international frieght/operators would stop using England as a hub , so the UK air industry would lose money

[jetpilot]

I guess then you are saying the loss in revenue from these airlines would out weigh the addition of taxation.

I understand the duty thing (perhaps), although i dont necessarily agree as mentioned before, airlines are making huge profit and would only pass the cost on to their passengers but the VAT thing is just an outrage, VAT is charged on everything, or so i thought!

[DR SCHNITZEL]

I have an LPG car and it now costs the same as petrol per mile. I am not filling up with LPG now and i suggest everyone else does the same.
 
I feel sorry for everyone who has paid extra K\'s for Dual fuel cars or who have recently forked out 1500 quid for a conversion because they have wasted their money.
 
A holes!!!!

[Marcrs]

I have an LPG car and it now costs the same as petrol per mile. I am not filling up with LPG now and i suggest everyone else does the same.
 
I feel sorry for everyone who has paid extra K\'s for Dual fuel cars or who have recently forked out 1500 quid for a conversion because they have wasted their money.
 
A holes!!!!

Is the economy that much worse on LPG then? It\'s still 50p a litre cheaper...

[shaunwil]

There is less energy in LPG than petrol so you get worse mpg. The way it has risen lately is absolutely shocking.

Plus you still use some petrol on a dual fuel system, the petrol is used when the car is cold. Plus the LPG is a dry fuel so valve seats need petrol (or valve saver).

I\'m not as bad in the FB, not a bean of petrol for the past 3yrs. Although its getting to a point where I can\'t really justify using it as my daily.

The trouble is it was 1/2 the price of diesel because of its clean credentials. But now its 58% the price out weighing the benefits.

Shaun