Chronicles of a 13BT swap......

[captainbizzaro]

Well here we go.....the rain has started becoming more prolific so it is time to announce the start of this project.

The majority of you know NEV, I\'ve had him for 3 years and even though he is not too shabby with the 12A in, I have a hankering for more power. I did consider just buying a 2nd Gen Turbo II but was concerned that one or the other would suffer due to having to split funds between them....and there is no way I am not having a 1st gen in my life so that was that!

I am not aiming for stratospheric power here, I just want a fun streetable car rather than a drag beast so I\'d be happy with power in the region of 250-270 bhp. I have just picked up a 13BT lump...
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....and will continue to gather parts over the next month or so, so the project doesn\'t stand still for too long once I\'m fully committed.

Other issues will be addressed at the same time like referb of the suspension etc to ensure we can keep the no found power under control.

Thats it really....it won\'t happen overnight as funds won\'t allow it but hopefully we\'ll be back up and running for the spring.

[shaunwil]

Should make a very cool setup. They are quite good NA too for that extra bit of torque !

Shaun

[grinder]

so I\'d be happy with power in the region of 250-270 bhp

wouldnt we all

[Steve-A]

Should be pretty wild tim!

As you say 270 brake in the light weight 1st gen should keep you on your toes, whilst still being fairly drivable day to day.

[captainbizzaro]

Yeah I did consider staying N/A to make things easier/cheaper but the amount I\'ve read about how much fun a boosted FB is made it no contest in the end.

I will start taking a look at the lump at the weekend, doubt I\'ll retain the stock turbo as I don\'t want to change the subframe (like Ramon) so will more than likely get a purpose built manifold from Oz that takes the turbo just that little bit further away from that pesky steering box.

I\'m open to suggestions on what choice of turbo I go with but like I said-I want the power to be streetable rather than something I\'ve got to wind up. I\'m not sure which engine management I am going with as yet though-more than likely LINK as it\'s the system Tim White is familiar with.

[Steve-A]

Engine management wise, if you\'re up for a challenge don\'t discount Megasquirt. It does require a fair amount of learning and reading, but has some distinct advantages. Firstly its cheap! Like £250 for complete set-up cheap. Secondly its exceedingly flexible. Thirdly its really handy to have the control yourself to easily hook up a laptop and tweak things. I make small changes to mine probably a couple of times a week, just deciding to add a tiny bit of fuel here or there or that I want a fraction more ignition advance somewhere, or even things like tweaking how aggressive the over run fuel cut is or when a shift light comes on or anything really. On my old turbo set-up I built extra little section so I had launch control and flat foot shifting.

Though its does require lots of time and dedication to make it work well. And you need to kinda understand at least the basics of engine tuning theory and have the right sort of logical problem solving approach or it\'ll never be great.

[A7RXY]

Now thats why I like my standard set up, I knew there was a good reason .........:3Confused

[Rotaryguru]

How are you going to mount the 13B? if you\'re sticking with the front mount (easiest way) you\'ll need a 12A front cover. i\'ve got one for sale.
rotaryguru at hotmail dot com

[syebba]

Chronicles of a 13b swap,sounds like a movie title!
 
If you need any hinderance with your project,i\'ll help!
 
Sounds interesting i\'ll keep an eye on it,did\'nt don pamponi do this too?
ta stu..

[captainbizzaro]

Now thats why I like my standard set up, I knew there was a good reason .........:3Confused

I\'ve never been one to do things that make my life easy Dibs thats the trouble lol.

[captainbizzaro]

How are you going to mount the 13B? if you\'re sticking with the front mount (easiest way) you\'ll need a 12A front cover. i\'ve got one for sale.
rotaryguru at hotmail dot com

Yeah I\'m using a 12A front cover-what I plan to do is get the 12A compression tested, if I get good figures from it I\'ll put it up for sale as it appears to be healthy. If it gives bad figures I\'ll just use the front cover off it and use the rotors as door stops:rolleyes:

Cheers for letting me know you\'ve got it though mate-I\'ll be in touch...

[captainbizzaro]

Stu, Don Pamponi\'s car is (I think) a 12a with EFI and a bigger turbo but has the 2nd gen sub frame. Thats still a wild piece of kit though-nice car.

[captainbizzaro]

Steve- cheers for the heads up on the Megasquirt, I know the americans love it I\'ll bare it in mind. Will be picking your brains I\'m sure!

[Steve-A]

I\'m building my 3rd megasquirted car next weekend helping a friend out with his turboed vw polo. And then in a few weeks I\'ll be building the 4th for my s2. So I should be doing the ground work on it for the 1st gen. I\'ll try to keep good notes!

[Ian65]

I\'m very interested to see how this all comes together Tim as it\'s exactly what I plan to do with my project car ( once I get the elford out of the way).
I quite like Ramons idea of using a 2nd gen sub frame and a rack but that\'s a lot more work and I don\'t want to get bogged down with stuff I\'m not very confident about doing.
I\'ll probably go down the same route as you and use the existing front beam.
Hopefully you\'ll have solved all the problems before I get to them!
Good luck with this project and fair play to you for taking it on.

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