NA Questions

Started by neil_jdmr, June 22, 2010, 12:23:38 AM

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neil_jdmr

I know that 400hp can be achieved going 3 rotor NA with PP etc but what sort of figures can be achieved staying with the twin rotor. I mean is say 300hp a possible target with the right porting/tuning.
 
I know NA tuning is a very expensive way to go fast and im not thinking of going this way but iam interested to know what the NA rotary capabilities are.
Standard sequential, standard engine, Oem body, 1.2bar, WI

Twins retired. KKK K27 1.25bar courtesy of Jason and Stu

Prof

I\'d say you could get close to 300bhp with a big Bridge Port on an NA engine, definitely possible with a PP ported block.  The power band, smooth though it is, will be moved up the rev range - so peak power will be when the engine is revving it\'s nuts off, but the sound is good ;)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrAjhimVaU0
"Plus this engine is probably one of the most volumetric engines going! It passes more air than a herd of cows eating vindaloo\'s" - courtesy of AtomicRex


CharlieP

Would be pretty boring though :Tongue1

HaywardRotary

I have built 13b PP\'s that make around 310hp at 8900 rpm.The feel of power is near to what twin turbo FD feels like at revs.
Regards
Carl
We warranty our rebuilt engines for Detonation, track day\'s and RWYB and NOW for 30 months which is two and half years or 30,000 miles
We also build all types of race or road engines.
We build race and track cars too.
Any kind of porting undertaken.
Single turbo conversions.
S

Rex_FTW

That sounds interesting Hayward.
 
What sort of price are we looking at?
 
Do you have any dyno sheets so I can view the power band of the 310hp engine?
 
Cheers

SiH

Quote from: CharlieP;700724Would be pretty boring though :Tongue1

A high revving NA is anything but boring! It\'s a joy to work an NA though high revs, and with a throttle response that it\'s nigh on impossible to come close to with a turbo!
The thought of a high 200\'s NA in an FD or better still, in an NA MX5, is hugely appealing!

CharlieP

So why have you got turbos then :p

SiH

Quote from: CharlieP;700746So why have you got turbos then :p

Because it\'s a hell of a lot cheaper :D

HaywardRotary

Here is another one with slightly higher in the revs peak power.
Notice that at 4500rpm it is already 100hp.
regards
Carl
We warranty our rebuilt engines for Detonation, track day\'s and RWYB and NOW for 30 months which is two and half years or 30,000 miles
We also build all types of race or road engines.
We build race and track cars too.
Any kind of porting undertaken.
Single turbo conversions.
S

neil_jdmr

That dyno sheet looks like a great powerband and revving out at 9500 sound like my cup o tea.
 
I think that would be an amazing sounding and probably very drivable engine.
 
What would the internal wear and tear be like on an engine like this? i mean would it be in a similar bracket to high power single turbo 13b\'s due to the level of modification and such closer tolerances when getting pushed or would the NA factor reduce this?.
Standard sequential, standard engine, Oem body, 1.2bar, WI

Twins retired. KKK K27 1.25bar courtesy of Jason and Stu