Hurt the 13B, but what is the diagnosis?

[DR SCHNITZEL]

you are officially one of us...one of us...one of us...
 
Stav your engine blowing up has brought you closer to all of us here at MRC. we now fully respect you, we feel your pain.
 
Send me your broken seals and ill send them off in a little flaming canoe (viking stylee) down the mersey while grandpapa plays them out to sea on his bagpipes.
 
PS get brand new everything in your engine and build it yourself (esp housings) dont have some cowboy build it for you and charge you a fortune

[HaywardRotary]

And build it strong.
Regards
Carl

[RobMatthews]

Never ceases to amaze me how people ive never met and have no idea how they know me but have some bizzare irrational internet hatred for me hear about my life.
Can imagine all the whoops of joy as the rumour spreads around the internet haters, lol.
 
It will live again, most likely with a rotary as it looks the best current option.
TBH its not the rotary that makes it quick as it is (the lightness did that, its a basic low power engine), or handle like it does, or look like it does, or any of the attributes I like, so I wouldnt lose any sleep if it wasnt one anymore, in fact in a lot of respects id like it not to be.
But as said, it currently looks to be the best VFM option so it probably will be the spinning wheels of unreliability once again, lol.

Its quotes like these that really p1ss me off, you dont deserve a fduking rotary.

being a member of a nationwide magazine you\'ll have access to many car stats so you can enlighten us to which cars are so reliable after YOU start pushing them beond their design?

Use good reliable parts and experianced people to fit them and you wont get a problem.

[BenLewisMav]

Appreciate the advice though, glad everyone agrees the way its likely to be dead, gives me something to work from :Thumbsup!
 

Well it will be a (sort of) pleasant surprise when its torn down if it not! :Giggle

And build it strong.
Regards
Carl

Hows does one define strong?

[turbotoaster]

i was wondering that myself, make sure your tolerances are correct on your clearancing and there really isnt much more you can do.

Its not like forged components are easily avaliable, ok you can get billet rotors from USA but its not a common thing.

only thing i can think of is changing the seals, but that leaves you with 2 options, do you go for

1. seals that bend when you det so it doesnt destroy the housing.....good in theory but have been known to be weaker than traditional seals(ie will bend at a certain level that a normal seal would have stayed together)

2 ceramic seals, normally very expensive but when your pushing the boundaries they are very strong, dont wear housings as bad and are very strong, bad point is that when they do finally break they make a massive mess destroying pretty much the whole engine and turbo setup.


Im looking forward to what stav comes up with for his rebuild, ive given him a contact if he needs fc parts anyway for a rebuild so i hope he has a go at it

[BenLewisMav]

Its quotes like these that really p1ss me off, you dont deserve a fduking rotary.

being a member of a nationwide magazine you\'ll have access to many car stats so you can enlighten us to which cars are so reliable after YOU start pushing them beond their design?

Use good reliable parts and experianced people to fit them and you wont get a problem.

Not to speak for him, but it does seem as though the comment was made in irony and jest (\'lol.\'?). Especially as there are pages and pages of stavros on other forums actually attesting to how rotaries seem to be more reliable and better suited when running more horsepower than a piston equivalent (ca18 vs 13bt example on driftworks springs to mind). Difference of interpretation :Typing

You also seem to be forgetting the many, many threads on here with people swearing holy hell and critising their rotaries because it blew up the umpteenth time, I doubt you\'ve posted this kind of response saying they dont deserve a rotary on these threads! :Giggle

Worth bearing in mind this engine blew because he was experimenting and trying to push the widely accepted boundries, something which is beneficial for the rotary scene (in this case trying to run similiar boost to piston engines and increasing the torque:hp ratio, something which rotaries are criticised for). Anyway chill, and show some support/help, people are going to be putting a lot of time and energy into this engine because of a similiar passion to yours :guinness

[iaint]

Not to speak for him, but it does seem as though the comment was made in irony and jest (\'lol.\'?). Especially as there are pages and pages of stavros on other forums actually attesting to how rotaries seem to be more reliable and better suited when running more horsepower than a piston equivalent (ca18 vs 13bt example on driftworks springs to mind). Difference of interpretation :Typing

You also seem to be forgetting the many, many threads on here with people swearing holy hell and critising their rotaries because it blew up the umpteenth time, I doubt you\'ve posted this kind of response saying they dont deserve a rotary on these threads! :Giggle

Worth bearing in mind this engine blew because he was experimenting and trying to push the widely accepted boundries, something which is beneficial for the rotary scene (in this case trying to run similiar boost to piston engines and increasing the torque:hp ratio, something which rotaries are criticised for). Anyway chill, and show some support/help, people are going to be putting a lot of time and energy into this engine because of a similiar passion to yours :guinness

Damn fine sentiment here.

We should look to what we have in common rather than the opposite.

[DR SCHNITZEL]

Well it will be a (sort of) pleasant surprise when its torn down if it not! :Giggle
 
Hows does one define strong?

I think carls talking about Spinach and Weetabix :Viking:Viking:Viking:Viking:Viking "build it with the strength of 5 vikings or dont build it at all" thats what my Nan used to say.

[DR SCHNITZEL]

Damn fine sentiment here.
 
We should look to what we have in common rather than the opposite.

ONE OF US...ONE OF US...

[StavFC]

Its quotes like these that really p1ss me off, you dont deserve a fduking rotary

Deserve eh, like its a diamond encrusted F1 engine unavailable to purchase and only given to gods, rather than a mass produced road car engine whos numbers reach into the millions.
Calm down dear, it was a joke, and I expect you have noticed Rotary engines have a world famous stereotype, legendary even, for being unreliable.
But thats something I dont actually agree with, and tbh until tuner (ie me) error killed it, my car was doing a bloody good job of disproving.
 
Mine only broke, even though I was doing what most people say not to (1.5bar boost on pump fuel, a massive amount of water being sprayed into the inlet of the turbo, pushing a ....y little T04E 57trim past what most claim is its \'rotary\' limit, etc etc), due to my inept fitting of the water jet (note to self \'that will do\' really wont do).
Prior to that the engine was loving 8000rpm, 1.5bar boost on pump fuel (was running 0.8 when I purchased it!), and living near the rev limiter for a long time now- Not many engines can do that with as little fuss as it has, and only died due to my error, not the engines weakness.
For the last year ive had countless people at events, even on the one where I broke the engine, come up to me and remark how much of a beating it gets and has no issues in the slightest, even though most the piston engines have at least some minor problem by the end of the day.
If thats not a good testament to their potential, I dont know what is.
 
Done right they can make ridiculous power and revs for sustained times with no issue, and I love that.
 
The only disadvantage they have in comparison to piston engines up to even double its 1308cc, aside from general lack of knowlege, is the fact small issues and errors kill them much faster, making expererments difficult and tuning and ownership much less fool proof, and unfortunately car ownership and tuning is full of us fools, lol.
 
Im not daft enough to think they are the best thing everrrrrrrr in any respect, not even the best for producing power far beyond their intended levels (something Rob got so angry about), but for what they are, when pushing for high power, the potential when done right is nothing short of awesome.

[MaLicE]

lol stav i love the way people get so mad at you in the car world, have to say i personally know stav, see him pretty much every weekend in some messy state and tbh the guy is a good and nice guy!

i know how he drives and he drives hard! there is no way that engine had an easy life!

for the way people seem to have a problem with him he knows his ....! like im pretty sure nearly everyone in the uk running water injection run it after the intercooler, yet every other country that runs big power on rotaries they run it pre turbo or pre intercooler, stav went and proved that running pre turbo you get really really good results from it!

people need to stop bringing where he works in to it that has nothing to do with it! i have seen people on this forum and others make complete .... ups of the way they run and do things yet they dont get the .... stav does, dont get me wrong im not some sort of fanclub for stav, im just saying the way he ran the engine is more than most people on here would ever dream of doing let alone actually do it!

if he wanted to stick a b16 or something in it, who cares i mean really... its his car its down to him! i see things people do to their cars on here and i dont personally like them but i dont get my arse in my hand about it!

i wouldnt ever put anything but a rotary in my fd, however i can see the appeal of a big fat v8 tbh!

[Prof]

The only disadvantage they have in comparison to piston engines up to even double its 1308cc, aside from general lack of knowlege, is the fact small issues and errors kill them much faster, making expererments difficult and tuning and ownership much less fool proof, and unfortunately car ownership and tuning is full of us fools, lol.

Probably the truest statement about the rotary engine.  Bad ancillaries or a .... up with tuning will see an engine out anyday.

[Kieron]

Just sell the FC and get something else, dibs

[HaywardRotary]

We had a spark plug end fall off into an engine the other day,needless to say the engine needs a rebuild! It is running around 550hp though. Of course if that happens (And it does) in a piston engine then same scenario exists regarding rebuilds!
Our Apex seals all survived though and are much stronger than Mazda\'s.
Regards
Carl

[StavFC]

Carl- I was half expecting plug damage on mine TBH, but they were good as gold. But yeah, plug and then engine damage due to det is a universal spark ignition thing.
 

Just sell the FC and get something else, dibs

Im not daft and have irrational love for inanimate objects (ie cars) like some seem to, everything has a price, so dibs all you like, but you\'d need some money first.
Ive sold all my previous cars for either what I paid for em and mostly a fair profit, and purely to get something better. I dont do the huge losses some seem to accept with cars, I couldnt afford that.
 
Thing is though, its only worth IF you can get something better for the money, and due to the spec of my car, getting something as quick in a straight line and good handling as mine (in no small part due to the extreme lightness) would be impossible I reckon even if I sold it for more money than I paid for it.
Seems like no matter if I was in to drag racing, drifting, track, whatever, my car, regardless of engine, its the ideal car to base it on, so would need some serious cash or another serious bargain to appear to let it go.