What apex seals are you using???

[DR SCHNITZEL]

Would they be 2mm or 3mm screws then.........................................one piece or two

 
hahaha fair play, first time ive laughed on the forum in 2 years

[DR SCHNITZEL]

A warranty is only worth it if the tuner doesnt use another variable to get out of the warranty.....as I have heard some tuners with these extended use, for example injectors failing etc.
 
So I can have an engine built by you, keep blowing it up (you wont know how) and you\'ll keep rebuilding it for free? The pesimistic would say, no you\'ll just blame something that cannot be proven.
 
Our warranty is 12months or 12,000 miles, and generally an engine (block) will be fine after say 100 miles, if an issue is there it will show itself pretty damn quick. An engine failure beyond this time will generally be due to a ancillary.

My point is this on the original thread. If you have Water injection det isnt a problem generally and therefore OEMS and 2mms are fine for up to 300- 400-500 hp? is this a reasonable statement?
 
What you write about warranties is very true. I can see no way in which a builder would rebuild an engine for free if it was blown up within warranty periods. However Carl has assured me that if he set the car up and i didnt mess with it then it would be honoured (if i get my next engine built by the good man)
 
I would love all the tuners to let me know how many engines have been rebuilt on warranty. Id guess <.1%.
 
My last engine which lasted 1000 miles and was built by tuners whos motorsport was their passion upon telling them it had blown you hear things from them like "it could have happened for many reasons" and "we CAN have a look at it" not "ok bring it down we will replace it for you" im sure ALL tuners take this line and i could see a few rebuild warranties per year putting em all out of buisness.
 
You also hear stories of experts getting out of a warranty by saying
"it blew cos your spark plug is corroded" not their fault. What it means is you have no chance and you may as well have a 5 year warranty or none as they mean the same thing in my eyes and experience anyway.

[bnaellis]

Warranties is a 6 of 1 half dozen of the other issue. When I was import and working on peoples cars I used warranty the cars personally as most warranty companies are useless. I\'ve seen people bring their cars to me after it\'s very clear they were shafted by other tuners. On the other hand I seen people leave my workshop on bone cold engines and go ragging the car like anything and the these are the same muppets who want you to honour the warranty on the car. Also had people claim they had issues and though it\'s nothing to do with work you done on the car because you\'ve worked on the car before they want to blame you for it. I remember one muppet I advised him to run no more than .8 bar .7bar of boost on a lightly modded twin turbo as it had a chipped ecu. he calls up a few months llater after I sell him the car saying the engines blow. I asked if he had tocuhed the boost controller etc he says no he was driving normal at the time and had touched nothing. In good faith I have the car transported to rxmotors for a rebuild I go down there and check the boost controller to see historic peak boost reached and it\'s 1.2 bar. I ask the owner about he claims ignorance. I rebuild it anyway. rxmotor advise him to replace chipped ecu with an apexi. I advise him of the same other warranty will be void. A few month later after the rebuild he calls again that teh engine has blown and wants it rebuilt under warranty. I ask him if he replaced the ecu he says no it\'s the same chipped ecu I said i\'m not rebuilding it and he called Clive and all sorts complaining.
There are soem right deceptive lying scum out there and it\'s not easy to to tell who\'s honest John from who\'s lying Tom. People have brought cars down to me to do work and the speedo is deliberately disconnected so when they sell trhe car it has low mileage displayed. Yes i\'m talking forum members.
The only engine I have blown mapping was one of mine which had 1300cc injectors get stuck at the time I did not know the over bored out 850 injectors were a known issue. As Ross said typically if there is a issue with an engine to do with the rebuild etc it will manifest itself literally straight away not 5,000 miles down the road. If it does pop 5,000 miles don the road that would point to something failing, maybe dodgy voltage to the fuel pump, maybe blocked fuel filter, maybe a 101 things.



rgds
Brian

[DR SCHNITZEL]

Wow so theres one engine someone built under warranty (fair play to you)
 
I dont think a probelm may manifest itself straight away, what if you bought an engine with supposedly new housings but they are actually used? how could you tell after say 1000 miles?
 
what about Auxillary injection on det?

[bnaellis]

Wow so theres one engine someone built under warranty (fair play to you)
 
I dont think a probelm may manifest itself straight away, what if you bought an engine with supposedly new housings but they are actually used? how could you tell after say 1000 miles?
 
what about Auxillary injection on det?

Actually have rebuilt a few under warranty. There is definitely no one on or off this forum that can say I have never honoured a warranty I sold a car with. If you bought an engine with used rotors but paid for new the the person who stitched you up is a crook and deserves his just reward, but still the used housings will not unexpectedly cause the engine to blow, but I get your point. I\'m not saying it\'s all customers fault that\'s why I said its 6 of 1 and half dozen of the other. It\'s about trust. Remeber years back I had an old tII cab and took it to rotechnics for replacement clutch and other work. They called and gave me a price for two clucthes a genuine mazda one and some other one. i said I wanted a genuine mazda one fitted. I had a mate that got charged for stuff that was not done on his car by them sometime afterwards. he ended up going to rxmotors and they sorted out everything his car. So when my engine blew I decided i\'d take it to rxmotors too. They pulled the engine and advsie my clutch was worn out and showed me I said how can it be I only had replaced about 6 months ago. They said it\'s not a mazda clutch and they wear out quicker. I called rotecnics and they denied all knowledge. This is no way any reflection on rotechnics now, as this is over 10 years ago just giving an example that I too as a consumer have been shafted too. waht\'s the quest with aux injection and det?


rgds
Brian

[lee mills]

Whilst were talking about Tim @ Rxmotors hes rebuilt 2 engines for me under warranty:Thumbsup!

[rbs14a]

10 seconds is not everything Ross,how about engines that last for years as opposed to months or even day\'s or hours?
Also drag racing is not everything to everyone in this world.
Regards
Carl

blitz regularly uses his on the road and as long as i have known him always has driven to and from events as does many other serious competitors

[Bob Monkhouse]

On the subject of apex seals, our Grant\'s just bought a tarty c/f clutch for his old dad to fit, as he\'s going to be giving it a lot more pasty I was thinking of using some pie crust for tarty apex seals(hardened and tempered of course with a brown sauce coating- bit like ceramic coating but a lot cheaper). Would this be a good idea?

[Bob Monkhouse]

Meesta Bleetz(is it Mark?), do you ever drag race at York? I f you do me and Grant would like to come over and watch at some point. Let us know if you are ever in the frozen north, Bob and Grant.

[Ed_RX7]

on the subject of warranties....as long as its mapped by the supplying tuner and engine builder it could be given a warranty as long as your arm...i would have thought...coz it would just be mapped safe and at a low boost setting... (which is fine if you dont mind)........  Lets see how many tuners will give a warranty on an engine that has been tuned to 1.4 bar.......I know one that would!!!...it would be nice if there were others.....!

At the end of the day a tuner/builder should be able to back up his/her ability with a warranty...which in turm shows faith in their ability.

[DR SCHNITZEL]

Ed the above is what carl told me, supply, fit, tune, warranty = good.
 
I have been done bad to i think but im letting that go and pass me by.............................................. but the next engine i get built and fitted. i want it explicitly written that my engine is covered against det and other failure with (no excuses) providing i have not gone past the bar limit or tampered without express permission. otherwise no sale.
 
When i got my car back from engine fitting and mapping 3k with year warranty. the receipt said (WARRANTY VOID UNLESS YOU FIT FUEL PRESSURE REGULATOR AND UPRATED FUEL PUMP) even though my injectors had high duties they werent mentioned ha. take money and instant warranty void!! hmmphh.

[DR SCHNITZEL]

Water injection negates the need to use expensive seals because it supresses det to a certain extent 500hp + ? and is cheaper than expensive seals

[DR SCHNITZEL]

ignore my error

[Bob Monkhouse]

On the subject of warranties, Grant got a written guarantee form Carl for 2years/24000miles. Carl told him that he could turn the boost up (a bit) if he wanted to but as the turbos(stock Mazda ones) are getting on a bit it might be wise to keep the boost to 1.2bar.
   This warranty says road or race ,something I was quite surprised about. Race motors usually have no guarantee.

[DSNorth]

I was personally very impressed with the warrenty offered by Carl, I cant comment on other warrentys offered, but I will be discussing this topic in the same detail ( hopefully ) with the other tuners I am in discussion with.

I would say the best thing you can possibly do regarding a warrenty, is sit down with the guy that would be handaling your claim. and have a good chat about it. read through and discuss.

This is exactly what i have done over at hayward.

Now, I know from experiance that you need to look after an engine if its going to look after you, and if you want an engine to be reliable, you have to make sure it is happy to work at the strain you put it under. and this is all that Carl asks.

And I am confident both that I will take care of the engine in my car. And also that if a fault should occour Carl would look after it.

That is all you can ever ask for from a warrenty.

Now here is the bit I like...

Dan: To be honest, I enjoy driving my car, I want a car that I can take to a track, slide it around every cornder I can find, and bang it off the limiter for as long as possible with the most ammount f smoke havoc and noise as possible.

Carl: Good, we will drop the limiter slightly and ( a lot more discussion on modifications later ) and there you go.

Dan: and if i get half way through my track day and it blows up ?

Carl: Then you bring it to be with the recipts from the sparks oil and filters and we will get it fixed.

Dan: Even though you know ive been drifting it like a whore all weekend, and probably every weekend before that ?

Carl: Thats what we built it for.

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That was probably not the exact conversation.. but you get the point.

They know they can build an engine within its limits, and the engine will behave accordingly,

Of course, if you dont look after it, ad its got 6k old oil in it, and FDUKed sparks, or the maps been FDUKed, or runnign 2 bar of boost, there gonna know about it and your gonna get " I told you not to do that and you did "

But thats your fault. not theres !

Bottom line, as a person that knows very little about these cars. I would be happy to drive a car out of carls shop, make sure it gets its TLC, and drive it like its ment to be driven. Confident the engine will up to the task, and that if a mistake has been made it will be rectified.

But, if your not sold from my opinion. Go and find out for yourself.

You even get tea