What apex seals are you using???

[pigeon]

OEM seals dont handle det.
We have tested our seals under such extreme det that the Mazda corner seals broke and our apex seals were still fine and reuseable.
Our seals material are also kind to the rotor housings and do not create chatter marks or unusual wear on rotor housings. We can make 2mm or 3mm apex seals and 12a or 13b or 20b. in either case they are very strong!
Compression readings and compression ratio are 2 different things.
 
Regards
Carl

Sounds good. if your seals were to let go are they of a bendy nature of would they break?

[karl_tate]

OEM seals dont handle det.
We have tested our seals under such extreme det that the Mazda corner seals broke and our apex seals were still fine and reuseable.
Our seals material are also kind to the rotor housings and do not create chatter marks or unusual wear on rotor housings. We can make 2mm or 3mm apex seals and 12a or 13b or 20b. in either case they are very strong!
Compression readings and compression ratio are 2 different things.

Regards
Carl

carl, these do sound great. what kind of price are they?? is there no disadvantages to these at all then?? did you run omp or premix??

[DRAGON]

OEM seals dont handle det.
We have tested our seals under such extreme det that the Mazda corner seals broke and our apex seals were still fine and reuseable.
Our seals material are also kind to the rotor housings and do not create chatter marks or unusual wear on rotor housings. We can make 2mm or 3mm apex seals and 12a or 13b or 20b. in either case they are very strong!
Compression readings and compression ratio are 2 different things.

Regards
Carl

Mazda OEM seals are fine, in the drag car we only had one engine blow and that was when the eccentric shaft bent and took out the beraings, so nothing apex seal related. If you can run 160mph terminals with petrol on Mazda 2mm seals, why is there a need for After market seals?

I think the after market seal thing originates for 2 reasons, one because people can make them cheaper than Mazda, and then market them as super duper seals, purely to make money.

Secondly when someone wants an engine built, they think of them like piston engines and want to have \'better\' apex seals, much like better a pistons etc, that are actually justified in a piston engine.

Also you have \'tuner\' on here who is discussing it with a privateer. A privateer who has a 10 second car, being told what apex seals to use by a tuner that has never built a 10 second car, but is knowledgeable to designed and make his own apex seals and rotors!!

People should look at results, rather than falling into the trap of super duper this and that.....see something that actually is proven and do the same to get a fast car, dont listen to bullsh t, listen to proven results.

[HaywardRotary]

10 seconds is not everything Ross,how about engines that last for years as opposed to months or even day\'s or hours?
Also drag racing is not everything  to everyone in this world.
Regards
Carl

[HaywardRotary]

We are able to offer to people an engine warranty that I think no one else in this business seems to want to equal. I think that say\'s it all really.
Regards
Carl

[HaywardRotary]

carl, these do sound great. what kind of price are they?? is there no disadvantages to these at all then?? did you run omp or premix??

As yet we have no price for them yet as we are finalising that.
We only reccomend premix for dragstrip or track use,normal rod use it is not needed.
Regards
Carl

[DRAGON]

10 seconds is not everything Ross.
Neither is 9 or 8 or 7.
Drag racing is not everything in this world.
Regards
Carl

This is an obvious statement, however I learnt a great deal going from 13 seconds down, and I remember you being very keen on drag racing and attending regular meets, even building tubbed drag car? What haapened? The realisation that you simply couldnt do it?
The driving of drag racing, is completely different to the knowledge that is gained from working out how far you can push an engine, building the engine for revs, mapping, working out suiatable a/f ratios etc etc.
So I would say that there is massive amount to be learnt from drag racing, imagine it just like a black dyno, and you tune the car to make more power, rev safely etc all on the black dyno.

[HaywardRotary]

This is an obvious statement, however I learnt a great deal going from 13 seconds down, and I remember you being very keen on drag racing and attending regular meets, even building tubbed drag car? What haapened? The realisation that you simply couldnt do it?
The driving of drag racing, is completely different to the knowledge that is gained from working out how far you can push an engine, building the engine for revs, mapping, working out suiatable a/f ratios etc etc.
So I would say that there is massive amount to be learnt from drag racing, imagine it just like a black dyno, and you tune the car to make more power, rev safely etc all on the black dyno.

Yes but as i have said,how long do your engines last for the general public?
How long and good is your warranty?
Carl

[DRAGON]

We are able to offer to people an engine warranty that I think no one else in this business seems to want to equal. I think that say\'s it all really.
Regards
Carl

A warranty is only worth it if the tuner doesnt use another variable to get out of the warranty.....as I have heard some tuners with these extended use, for example injectors failing etc.

So I can have an engine built by you, keep blowing it up (you wont know how) and you\'ll keep rebuilding it for free? The pesimistic would say, no you\'ll just blame something that cannot be proven.

Our warranty is 12months or 12,000 miles, and generally an engine (block) will be fine after say 100 miles, if an issue is there it will show itself pretty damn quick. An engine failure beyond this time will generally be due to a ancillary.

[BlitzBoy]

10 seconds is not everything Ross,how about engines that last for years as opposed to months or even day\'s or hours?
Carl

Mine has lasted for 3 years of abuse at high power, power and relaibilty can be done, Im like having my cake and eating it :wiggle

Yes agreed Drag racing is not everything, hence why both of you guys are doing well in the drifting world.

Ross has proved stock seals indeed do the job but his very good tuning skills show he has very small amount of failures with stock seals. I went for my bendy seals to give me a bit of a safety margin if I fooked up my tuning when I start to crank up the boost.

Ross whats the quarter mile record with stock 2mm?

[HaywardRotary]

Your car is very good Mark,no doubt about it.
I like PTS seals too,just not the price,we have been developing our seals to improve products here and we are having great success too,also in circuit racing as well as drifting!
Regarding drag racing when we decide to seriously enter that arena I am sure we will do well too,but Rome wasn\'t built in a day as they say!
Regards
Carl

[DRAGON]

Ross whats the quarter mile record with stock 2mm?

Not sure actually, good point.

[DSNorth]

Very intersting thread going guys, letkeep it up

[pigeon]

Mine has lasted for 3 years of abuse at high power, power and relaibilty can be done, Im like having my cake and eating it :wiggle
 
Yes agreed Drag racing is not everything, hence why both of you guys are doing well in the drifting world.
 
Ross has proved stock seals indeed do the job but his very good tuning skills show he has very small amount of failures with stock seals. I went for my bendy seals to give me a bit of a safety margin if I fooked up my tuning when I start to crank up the boost.
 
Ross whats the quarter mile record with stock 2mm?

How many miles have you done in these three years?
 
cheers adam

[BlitzBoy]

approx 12000 miles now