20B FD Qs

[Spartacus]

Please take this the way it was written...... light heartedly! ....... i have put more useful technical stuff on this thread than anyone else because i have done exactly the same conversion,  Spartacus gave him another option as an alternative for an engine swap which is cheaper and can ultimately provide the same power and more torque.  He has done the V8 conversion himself so is in a perfect position to give advice to the fella,  just because you dont like V8\'s , doesnt mean someone may not like the info spartacus is giving.

I think its definately keeping the thread on track,  Rzla was the one taking things off track by saying he wouldnt hhave a V8 cos of the sound it makes.  I would never make my choice of engine by the sound it makes.   Plus, anny B/P rotary just sounds like woopee cushion to me,  not nice at all!  but each to their own  

I have a rotary not a V8 but if I were a betting man, i would be putting money on Tinkers V8 rx7 being the fastest RX7 at TOTB!

Give up Tony, some people just don\'t want to listen or learn from others experience (or even pay to join the club;))

[BlitzBoy]

I have a rotary not a V8 but if I were a betting man, i would be putting money on Tinkers V8 rx7 being the fastest RX7 at TOTB!

yes I agree actually, because I wont be there competiting lol

[antnicuk]

Lol well you would lose your money ant.
 
Give me a v8 and a rotary with the same power and same driver.. the rotary would be quicker.
 
And secondly I did not say I would not have a v8 purely because of the sound it makes, don\'t put words in my mouth, that is one of the reasons.
A v8 does not belong in an rx7 is another reason why I would not have a v8 in an rx7, as I said the r in 7 stands for ROTARY. There are many reasons but I won\'t go into them.
The sound point I was just a quick point I was picking out about why I would not have the v8 in an rx7.There are many more but I will not go into them.
Another car maybe, but not a rex.
 
If your 20b sounds like a v8 than something is seriously going wrong lol. :p

I agree with you an RX7 with a rotary will .... one with the same power V8.  but tinkers is by far the most powerful going up there,  550 at the wheels or more with the same torques.....  and he can get it under 103 db which is always a bonus.

I\'m not doing the which is better, V* or rotary argument as i said, each to their own.

The above car is way too complicated but its not mine, its my cousins and he likes fabricating., i have just done a lot of work to it.  They dont need to be that complicated.  A decent T88 or GT45 would give over 500 at the wheels at sensible boost but your gearbox wont like it.   Pip seems to like dry sumping his so the engine will go lower in the car.

[Rzla]

ya the place i found the block has 4 in total

Hmmm what kinda price to get one here?
I know someone who wants to put a 20b lump in a 240z.

[Spartacus]

Hmmm what kinda price to get one here?
I know someone who wants to put a 20b lump in a 240z.

A rotary brappy thing in classic Datsun? That’s just wrong "it does not belong", (sound familiar?)  I\'ll ruin the fine handling etc etc......... Just wait till I tell the DOC:Giggle

[colin777]

well the fella in oz is selling them for 4800 aus dollars
they prob need a rebuild but your going to do that anyway

[Rzla]

A rotary brappy thing in classic Datsun? That’s just wrong "it does not belong", (sound familiar?)  I\'ll ruin the fine handling etc etc......... Just wait till I tell the DOC:Giggle

You are absolutely right! Guests hey, what do they know? They don\'t exactly contribute any money to the club or support it at shows. Let\'s get rid of all guests!
  Shame on them! :rolleyes:
 
 As for the 20b in his Datsun, oh my word shock horror! I think you should report it to the police mate!  He has seen the light, that\'s the only thing I can say. There are enough of the pistons in the world without needing any more lol. The more brap brap rotaries the better.
 
 The only way the rotary scene will develop is by more research into the engine like PR do. Not people putting V8s in them. The knowledge in the past has not been the best, but that is improving thankfully, and resulting more and more reliable rotaries. There are so many piston cars in the world, leave the rotary cars to be what they are meant to be, rotary powered.
 
 Oh and this is a thread about a 20b rotary engine so :WaveBye

Oh and for the record I never said I hated V8s before you start accusing me of being anti-v8 lol.

And as you said let\'s let the original poster have his thread back. I had to respond to your post about the guests thing because you keep referring to the guests as though it is a dismissive thing.

[Rzla]

well the fella in oz is selling them for 4800 aus dollars
they prob need a rebuild but your going to do that anyway

Cool... How are you bringing the engine here if you don\'t mind me asking?

[Spartacus]

You are absolutely right! Guests hey, what do they know? They don\'t exactly contribute any money to the club or support it at shows. Let\'s get rid of all guests!
  Shame on them! :rolleyes:
 
 As for the 20b in his Datsun, oh my word shock horror! I think you should report it to the police mate!  He has seen the light, that\'s the only thing I can say. There are enough of the pistons in the world without needing any more lol. The more brap brap rotaries the better.
 
 The only way the rotary scene will develop is by more research into the engine like PR do. Not people putting V8s in them. The knowledge in the past has not been the best, but that is improving thankfully, and resulting more and more reliable rotaries. There are so many piston cars in the world, leave the rotary cars to be what they are meant to be, rotary powered.
 
 Oh and this is a thread about a 20b rotary engine so :WaveBye

Oh and for the record I never said I hated V8s before you start accusing me of being anti-v8 lol.

And as you said let\'s let the original poster have his thread back. I had to respond to your post about the guests thing because you keep referring to the guests as though it is a dismissive thing.

Good job you can still take as well as give some banter eh? "Lol only messing just having some banter mate":rolleyes::wiggle

[antnicuk]

Raz,  Tim (RX Motors) may have some 20b\'s left, they would work a lot cheaper than that,  we bought 4

4,800.00 Australian dollars = 2,379.58 British pounds sterling

as i mentioned above,  parts are becoming harder and harder to come buy,  no centre plates for the 20b,  etc etc,  its going to make it a lot more difficult to keep developing this old technology without support from mazda making the parts at an affordable price.  If you speak to all the tuners, they all hate mazda for the way they are treating them.

With a bit of luck, someone will start casting housings and plates so we can still afford to play some more.  I think mazda are being a bit thoughtless but i suppose they are there to make money.  We will have to start playing with the Renesis lump i spose.  

The 13b has done well though, its still the same design that was in the 1970s with very little change.   The thing that has made things so much better is modern electronics and turbos.

I have always had at least 1 rotary powered car for the last 20 years and cant see myself being without one in the future unless they become stupidly expensive.  I blew my engine at Cadwell park due to fuel pump failure,  it took me 7 evenings and £350 to remove, rebuild and replace, i couldnt do that with any other engine but then most others wouldnt have died with fuel pump failure as they will take a little detonation.  

BMW V8\'s have been my best road cars, but rotary power has been/is my best track car.

[Rzla]

Good job you can still take as well as give some banter eh? "Lol only messing just having some banter mate":rolleyes::wiggle

Lol mate don\'t take it too personally.. it\'s all fun!
Let\'s agree to disagree? lol

[Spartacus]

Indeed, mines a pint:guinness. By the way a 240Z would make a lovely home for a LSx:eek:

[Rzla]

Raz,  Tim (RX Motors) may have some 20b\'s left, they would work a lot cheaper than that,  we bought 4

4,800.00 Australian dollars = 2,379.58 British pounds sterling

as i mentioned above,  parts are becoming harder and harder to come buy,  no centre plates for the 20b,  etc etc,  its going to make it a lot more difficult to keep developing this old technology without support from mazda making the parts at an affordable price.  If you speak to all the tuners, they all hate mazda for the way they are treating them.

With a bit of luck, someone will start casting housings and plates so we can still afford to play some more.  I think mazda are being a bit thoughtless but i suppose they are there to make money.  We will have to start playing with the Renesis lump i spose.  

The 13b has done well though, its still the same design that was in the 1970s with very little change.   The thing that has made things so much better is modern electronics and turbos.

I have always had at least 1 rotary powered car for the last 20 years and cant see myself being without one in the future unless they become stupidly expensive.  I blew my engine at Cadwell park due to fuel pump failure,  it took me 7 evenings and £350 to remove, rebuild and replace, i couldnt do that with any other engine but then most others wouldnt have died with fuel pump failure as they will take a little detonation.  

BMW V8\'s have been my best road cars, but rotary power has been/is my best track car.

Thanks about the heads up about Tim, I will tell my mate to give him a call.
I sort of agree with you about parts getting more difficult, but looking at Matt\'s build thread on FDUK is inspiring. I can\'t wait to hear it!

I have a lot of respect for you for sticking with the rotary engine for so long, my hats off to you. There is just something about the engine, the high revving free flowing nature of it that just makes it addictive.

[Rzla]

Indeed, mines a pint:guinness. By the way a 240Z would make a lovely home for a LSx:eek:

Lol shhhh... I refuse to pass that information on lol haha

[colin777]

Tim (RX Motors) may have some 20b\'s left, they would work a lot cheaper than that,  we bought 4

well if that is the case ya ya please let me know what money he is charging and i might get in contact with him instead
cheers