Fuel swirl pots: opinions on safety!?

Started by lockwood77, January 10, 2009, 06:39:15 PM

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davehg

hi guys,

i did infact fit this system a while ago when clive and myself got chatting about a new fuel system, i run a 044 pump mounted under the car and no pickup pump in the tank which simplfies things. Both pickups are joined to each other by a T then to the original fuel pump pick up pipe in the tank.

I have run the T51 on 1.2 bar of boost down the motorway then about 1 mile off the motorway the car started chugging and needed fuel. on the old pickup system normally id get symptons of fuel starvation (air being picked up) at about or just under the 1/4 tank mark but so far so good and no problems.


Dave
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Initial-D

Sounds like a good idea and its not expensive! (Makes a change for an FD owner)!
My 044 is in tank (no sock) so these would fit to a \'T\' piece attached to the 044?

Is Dave\'s petrol tank a 92 or a 96?
Cheers


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davehg

hi, your not able to fit a 044 intank with this setup as the size of the pump seems to be too long (i found it to tight of a fit by the time you put the threaded connectors on the pump to allow a normal fuel hose to be attached) my fd is a 1993
There are performance cars and then there is the RX-7...........

12.3 second 1/4 mile, terminal speed of 122mph (1st ever drag run on a TO4R)

engine built by....... umm me! now powered by a T51 Kai......

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karl_tate

dave, i dont quite understand what you mean when you say it started chugging and needed fuel, why did it do this??

do you have any pictures or anything?? i carnt work it out in my head how its a plumbed in or am i just been thick lol

also when you say the 044 is too long, do you mean it sits to far down in the tank??

i have a apexi bnr so do you think these will work ok with it??

cheers

karl
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davehg

Hi Karl,

These should work with any pump, what i mean is that by the time i added on the fittings that i got from pirtek the overall length of the pump (044) with fittings was just about the depth of the fuel tank which was why i mounted my pump externally.

If you run low on fuel any car will "chug" as the engine gets a mixture of fuel and air through the injectors ie not enough fuel as requested.

Im not sure if i have any pics of the pump set up but will look to see if i can find one.
There are performance cars and then there is the RX-7...........

12.3 second 1/4 mile, terminal speed of 122mph (1st ever drag run on a TO4R)

engine built by....... umm me! now powered by a T51 Kai......

karl_tate

#36
thanks for that, i understand now, think i was too tired yesterday lol

i also understand what you mean by chugging as well, not sure why but i read it totally wrong, thought that you had loads of fuel and it started to chug :rolleyes:

no worries about pics if you dont have any.

oh and how did you mount them??

sorry for all the questions :p

cheers

karl
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lee mills

Dont suppose you fancy fitting some for me Dave :Thumbsup!

davehg

hi lee, id love to if i had all the bits required :Giggle took me a little bit to figure out how to make it work but well worth it.... still looking for some pics guys
There are performance cars and then there is the RX-7...........

12.3 second 1/4 mile, terminal speed of 122mph (1st ever drag run on a TO4R)

engine built by....... umm me! now powered by a T51 Kai......

davehg

here is a pic i found of the 044 with the attachements up against my old uprated pump just to show how long it makes it.....


There are performance cars and then there is the RX-7...........

12.3 second 1/4 mile, terminal speed of 122mph (1st ever drag run on a TO4R)

engine built by....... umm me! now powered by a T51 Kai......

Initial-D

Thats long! Shame as I want to keep my pump inside the tank to avoid having to fabricate a fire shield in the boot, I worry about stones on the underside too... Must be a way thats not expensive?!
Cheers


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DRAGON

No wonder it looks so long, theres much shorter direct connectors you can use.
Sock directly off the bottom and the size difference isnt an issue.

Initial-D

So it would fit Ross? You think the valves would be enough or would you recommend foam or the Feed intank metal thingy??
Cheers


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karl_tate

im just wondering how you managed to mount the valves in the tank?? did you need to take the tank out to get access??
 
i think you could use the 044 pump ben, if you get smaller connectors like ross said. obviously the bottom of the pump doesnt need to be in fuel so could be mounted higher up.
 
cheers
 
karl
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Initial-D

Yeah, I think its the way to go, rather than spend 160 on the ali Feed unit these may solve the issue at a reduced cost.

I\'d have though you just lift the pump out through the acces hole, change the fitting and attach the valves - drop back in the lump and fill up. Well thats what I hopes involveld!
Cheers


Ben

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