Porting for idiots

Started by Jimi_Hendrix, November 04, 2008, 11:13:18 PM

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Jimi_Hendrix

I just found out about porting the rotarys. Was looking on YouTube and keept seing these great vids of RX7s idling like lumpy race tuned V8s! Lol! All of them had this "half port" and "Street port" terms hanging around. I tried searching on here but didnt come up with any definitave explination.
 
Is it just the same as a Port polish on a regular cycle engine? And whats the diff betweeen this street port, half port and full port etc etc.?
 
Also whats all this about needing a bigger turbo when you do it?
 
I\'ve got a 13B 1990 FC3S Turbo II, daily driver come weekend track attacker. Is it recomender for that type of application? And does it kill reliability?
 
And i guess finaly (sorry for all these n00b questions Lol!) what kind of power gain do get? Seing as it costs abot 500 quid i\'d like to know what that nets ya. Lol!
 
Cheers! I\'m just lovin\' that lumpy bwap bwap bwap bwap idle!:Giggle

BlitzBoy

dont think you have searched properly as there is loads of info on here .
Anyways read this link
http://www.turborx7.com/porting.htm
info on there.
Stick to a mild street port any larger and you have to go bigger turbo as your stock turbo will be to small and overspool and sh&t its bed
"Piston Killa" 3rd Gen\'94 \'Oldone Racing Full Bridge Ported REW 13b engine with SCR seals\'. HKS T51 KAI turbo BBM mapped Motec ECU

JDS/HKS Street Class Championship Runner up 2011
Rotorstock winner 08,09
http://pistonkilla.blogspot.com/
old spec HB T51 470 @ wheels @ 1.2 BAR, 555 @ fly 10.46 @ 130 @ 1.25 Bar
new spec FB T51 482 @ wheels @ 1.15 BAR, 570 @ fly

New Project
"el fénix" RX2 by Mark & Mark

Jimi_Hendrix

Thanks Blitz boy, was struggling to find decent definitions of the differances between all these portings. Does the mild street port still give you that lumpy idle sound?
 
Yes i know i sound like a bit of a chav but i love that sound!.:rolleyes: Lol.

BlitzBoy

The more aggressive the porting the more overlap you have at idle hence the brap sound, depends who does your porting, Era who built my engine makes a lovely braap sound but your economy goes down the drain as its a half bridge, and aggressive street port will do it as well, A mild one you be hard to notice
"Piston Killa" 3rd Gen\'94 \'Oldone Racing Full Bridge Ported REW 13b engine with SCR seals\'. HKS T51 KAI turbo BBM mapped Motec ECU

JDS/HKS Street Class Championship Runner up 2011
Rotorstock winner 08,09
http://pistonkilla.blogspot.com/
old spec HB T51 470 @ wheels @ 1.2 BAR, 555 @ fly 10.46 @ 130 @ 1.25 Bar
new spec FB T51 482 @ wheels @ 1.15 BAR, 570 @ fly

New Project
"el fénix" RX2 by Mark & Mark

Timmy

Also to point out that normaly £500 on top of removing the engine open it up and change some seals and gaskets. Normaly done when rebuilding the engine.

BlitzBoy

Timmy I coundnt resist :)
TIMMY TIMMY sorry in a silly mood, be great avatar as you havent got one lol
"Piston Killa" 3rd Gen\'94 \'Oldone Racing Full Bridge Ported REW 13b engine with SCR seals\'. HKS T51 KAI turbo BBM mapped Motec ECU

JDS/HKS Street Class Championship Runner up 2011
Rotorstock winner 08,09
http://pistonkilla.blogspot.com/
old spec HB T51 470 @ wheels @ 1.2 BAR, 555 @ fly 10.46 @ 130 @ 1.25 Bar
new spec FB T51 482 @ wheels @ 1.15 BAR, 570 @ fly

New Project
"el fénix" RX2 by Mark & Mark

sadgoth

oi you with the facial fungus, get back to the point ;)

As blitzboy has said to get a decent brap brap sound you need some fairly extreme porting and your fuel economy REALLY suffers! I worked out the economy I was getting on average the week before last in on combined town and A road driving and I managed about 5-6mpg!
Mark
89 Black FC3S Turbo II
1/2 Bridge port   Microtech LT10s   TII Conv Aluminium Bonnet & Leather seats   Koni Shocks Pi Springs   De-catted 3" exhaust  
GT4088 turbo   Walbro fuel pump   1000cc injectors   custom V-Mount   Blitz Boost Controller (ok so the boost controller is still to fit)

Loud? Hell yes! :D

bnaellis

you can get a really good brap brap with minor porting and overfueling as well.


rgds

Brian

AshRX

some porters can actually make the same amount of power out of a very large street port compared to a half bridge now

dthebuk

Quote from: AshRX;551303some porters can actually make the same amount of power out of a very large street port compared to a half bridge now

is that through brilliant tuning or actually really well designed ports?

just curious


\'91 FC TII - Drifter... Under construction :D
:burnout

BlitzBoy

"Piston Killa" 3rd Gen\'94 \'Oldone Racing Full Bridge Ported REW 13b engine with SCR seals\'. HKS T51 KAI turbo BBM mapped Motec ECU

JDS/HKS Street Class Championship Runner up 2011
Rotorstock winner 08,09
http://pistonkilla.blogspot.com/
old spec HB T51 470 @ wheels @ 1.2 BAR, 555 @ fly 10.46 @ 130 @ 1.25 Bar
new spec FB T51 482 @ wheels @ 1.15 BAR, 570 @ fly

New Project
"el fénix" RX2 by Mark & Mark

Jimi_Hendrix

So how does all this affect the engines general health and well being with regards to reliabuility?
 
Thanks for all the info by the way.:Thumbs-up

sadgoth

shortens the engine life - (more power normally means less reliability) but good tuning should mean that you don\'t suffer too much on the reliability side
Mark
89 Black FC3S Turbo II
1/2 Bridge port   Microtech LT10s   TII Conv Aluminium Bonnet & Leather seats   Koni Shocks Pi Springs   De-catted 3" exhaust  
GT4088 turbo   Walbro fuel pump   1000cc injectors   custom V-Mount   Blitz Boost Controller (ok so the boost controller is still to fit)

Loud? Hell yes! :D

trotter

Quote from: BlitzBoy;551258The more aggressive the porting the more overlap you have at idle hence the brap sound, depends who does your porting, Era who built my engine makes a lovely braap sound but your economy goes down the drain as its a half bridge, and aggressive street port will do it as well, A mild one you be hard to notice


Does anyone else find this bit a wee bittie ironic? Anything with 13b in the title will do this quite effectively!!  :Laugh :Laugh
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