Taking FC to 500+BHP

Started by maz13b, April 28, 2008, 09:20:34 PM

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maz13b

Tony:
How come there are no tuning parts made for FCs with so many of them sold and why do we need to fabricate all the staff for it to work!!! I am a bit furious. I have 3 FDs coming from Japan at the same time as an FC and I could go with FD to make it 600bhp but tbh I dont want to. I have ordered RE Amemiya kit for FC and want to stick with it.

In terms of fabrication of FD parts.... how much diferent are they? I am sure that stuff like fuel lines and injectors would be more or less the same if not actualy the same but what about manorfault? Could I get the FD T78 turbo kit and fit it to the FC and would it involve a lot of modification???

Wouldnt it be just easier to put an FD engine in the FC?

Thanks to you all for taking your time answering my might be stupid questions :)

Maz

Brett

There is a fair amount of stuff available for the FC, but most of it is big money compared to the FD stuff you will need to look to the US, Australia, NZ and the big name tuners if you want a real idea of the cost ratios.  Might be cheaper to import a 500bhp FC then tweak the body to your liking? :wave
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maz13b

Brett.
Where is the learn in doing that?

Brett

True - but you could take it all apart to see how the companents integrate as a whole :)  That way you can also what you can improve, rebuild and generally ameliorate the whole package.

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maz13b

Agree but then I would need to take 2 cars apart to see what the diference is :)

G@NDY

QuoteI have ordered RE Amemiya kit for FC
Drool. are you planning on importing a few more FC bits? im always on the look out ;)
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bnaellis

The fc waterpump is better than the fd so why would you swap?

rgds
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This project sounds interesting....empty wallet coming to a pocket near you soon.....:eek
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sadgoth

Quote from: bnaellis;494806The fc waterpump is better than the fd so why would you swap?

rgds
Brian

well it\'s older and the pulleys fit the narrow FC belts for a start.
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antnicuk

not sure what this fd water pump swap is all about.  the fd one turns the opposite way!
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sadgoth

Ask the captain about it, he\'s the one who did the swap!
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89 Black FC3S Turbo II
1/2 Bridge port   Microtech LT10s   TII Conv Aluminium Bonnet & Leather seats   Koni Shocks Pi Springs   De-catted 3" exhaust  
GT4088 turbo   Walbro fuel pump   1000cc injectors   custom V-Mount   Blitz Boost Controller (ok so the boost controller is still to fit)

Loud? Hell yes! :D

Archbish

Quote from: antnicuk;494657I had 1680 cc secondary injectors, 550 primaries on an 044 pump with plenty of scope for more power.
I thought the microtech could only handle 4 injectors of the same size??  ((Happy to be corrected...))

It\'s going to be interesting to see how this all turns out, as the first gen is being made future proof with fuelling, ignition, etc, but I\'m not expecting to exceed £4k on the whole project, let alone just the power.  I\'m mainly avoiding named brands unless I have to, so big savings there - will be interesting to see how they match up (ebay intercooler for £108 delivered vs PWR intercooler for £400, RC 1200 injectors for £140 vs Bosch 1200\'s for considerably more, etc), although the fuel lines are Aeroquip because (a) there\'s a distributer less than 3 minutes drive to advise me about it, and (b) I can\'t find this stuff much cheaper.

The bits that aren\'t going to be cheap seem to come down to the ECU (Microtech LT10s with coils and ignition module) cos it\'s just gonna cost that much, and LSD Diff, as I can\'t seem to find one cheap.  

I guess the test will be in the tuning (don\'t hold your breath... *lol*), and the limiting factor (and huge money saver there) will be the engine that is stock S5 T2 (although a tuner in the states has got a confirmed +700hp on a non-ported motor - probably with a lot of expensive trickery too tho).

Good luck with your hunt, and I reckon general investigation on here, RX7club.com and AusRotary should answer most of your questions - all three have been massively helpful to me, from 13Bt Waterpump on a 12A frontplate, to suspension, to turbo manifolds, to sunroofs. *grin*  Become friends with the search function...
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Quote from: Archbish;495071I guess the test will be in the tuning (don\'t hold your breath... *lol*), and the limiting factor (and huge money saver there) will be the engine that is stock S5 T2 (although a tuner in the states has got a confirmed +700hp on a non-ported motor - probably with a lot of expensive trickery too tho).

I wonder how long it made 700bhp for? :Talking1 :Giggle
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grinder

Quote from: maz13b;494754In terms of fabrication of FD parts.... how much diferent are they? I am sure that stuff like fuel lines and injectors would be more or less the same if not actualy the same but...
Maz

FD injectors wont go into a FC - one is side feed the other is top feed - so thats a no no striaght away

you cant use the FD elbow on the FC ( or not that i have read )

i bet 80-90% of FD stock parts wont fit an fc to be honest ( thats just a guess so dont quote me !! LOL )

Stu


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Quote from: Brett;495073I wonder how long it made 700bhp for? :Talking1 :Giggle
True... *grin*
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