The Poor Mans Non-Sequential Setup

Started by Rixio, September 23, 2006, 01:39:42 AM

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interloper393

Quote from: BlitzBoylol a seq will have the same peak power as the non seq if both have the same mods, they will both have the same VE, you can not compare dyno graphs unles both cars have the same mods and boost levels.
ps the highest powered stock seq twins in this country produced 389@wheels.
hell I have seen a seq standard spec with nothing more then an Apexi ECU Exhaust and induction kit get 320rwhp, so you guys saying a non seq will yeild more peak power is simply untrue, a seq and non seq will both yield the same peak power, they both have the same efficency map both will push the same volume of air and the same boost levels


lol so your saying that either or, there both the same :P
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BlitzBoy

At peak power yes lol
BUt lets get back to the argument about seq being better low down hahahhaha
"Piston Killa" 3rd Gen\'94 \'Oldone Racing Full Bridge Ported REW 13b engine with SCR seals\'. HKS T51 KAI turbo BBM mapped Motec ECU

JDS/HKS Street Class Championship Runner up 2011
Rotorstock winner 08,09
http://pistonkilla.blogspot.com/
old spec HB T51 470 @ wheels @ 1.2 BAR, 555 @ fly 10.46 @ 130 @ 1.25 Bar
new spec FB T51 482 @ wheels @ 1.15 BAR, 570 @ fly

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interloper393

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Carl

HP figures on dyno\'s are a real waste of time,it is much more important what the car feels like to drive,if a person is really happy with their setup that suits them then that is most important.
I don\'t believe many of the HP figures that people get either,and has been known that certain dyno\'s have been setup wrongly in the past giving very spurious figures,with cars subsequently running up the drag strip with very poor results pretty well proving the figures can\'t have been any where near right.
As for the debate with twins being sequential or non,It will go on forever,but the people who seem to promote sequential all of the time are the ones who don\'t even drive FD\'s with twins any more having gone single,seems that they don\'t really put their money where their mouth is. very strange.
Regards
Carl

interloper393

each to there own, but i guess what ever setup your cars running, its gunna be the best setup to you lol.. so debate over.. non-seq is the best :D
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BlitzBoy

but Carl I do drive FD with twins , I may not own a seq anymore but I do drive a friends FD who have done work on thats seq.
So I dont need to put my money where my mouth is lol
So Carl whats the quickest non seq Twin that you have built and mapped that has gone up the strip, any times?
"Piston Killa" 3rd Gen\'94 \'Oldone Racing Full Bridge Ported REW 13b engine with SCR seals\'. HKS T51 KAI turbo BBM mapped Motec ECU

JDS/HKS Street Class Championship Runner up 2011
Rotorstock winner 08,09
http://pistonkilla.blogspot.com/
old spec HB T51 470 @ wheels @ 1.2 BAR, 555 @ fly 10.46 @ 130 @ 1.25 Bar
new spec FB T51 482 @ wheels @ 1.15 BAR, 570 @ fly

New Project
"el fénix" RX2 by Mark & Mark

cyman

Quote from: BlitzBoylol a seq will have the same peak power as the non seq if both have the same mods, they will both have the same VE, you can not compare dyno graphs unles both cars have the same mods and boost levels.
ps the highest powered stock seq twins in this country produced 389@wheels.
hell I have seen a seq standard spec with nothing more then an Apexi ECU Exhaust and induction kit get 320rwhp, so you guys saying a non seq will yeild more peak power is simply untrue, a seq and non seq will both yield the same peak power, they both have the same efficency map both will push the same volume of air and the same boost levels

mate you seem to be holding on to something that hasnt been said i never said that non seq make more power i said that it makes better peak power. ie in real world terms (in the midrange)where i need the power it is better than a sequencial.
 
you seem to be running out of arguments and have completly dismissed my post explaining why for me the non sequential is better. it is based on facts and figures  that i have seen for both and on the reliability factor of a 15 year old design.
 
i think your argument is running out of steam :D :D :D :D  oops sorry like you said earlier you prefer sequential so you can race hot hatches from standstill round town :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Carl

Quote from: BlitzBoybut Carl I do drive FD with twins , I may not own a seq anymore but I do drive a friends FD who have done work on thats seq.
So I dont need to put my money where my mouth is lol
So Carl whats the quickest non seq Twin that you have built and mapped that has gone up the strip, any times?

One of my customers has been running regular 12.4 seconds,and consistently too with no water injection or even a big intercooler.
Regards
Carl

Carl

Quote from: BlitzBoybut Carl I do drive FD with twins , I may not own a seq anymore but I do drive a friends FD who have done work on thats seq.
So I dont need to put my money where my mouth is lol
So Carl whats the quickest non seq Twin that you have built and mapped that has gone up the strip, any times?

You don\'t own one Mark.
Regards
Carl

BlitzBoy

really tell me something I dont know hahahaha :rollin
"Piston Killa" 3rd Gen\'94 \'Oldone Racing Full Bridge Ported REW 13b engine with SCR seals\'. HKS T51 KAI turbo BBM mapped Motec ECU

JDS/HKS Street Class Championship Runner up 2011
Rotorstock winner 08,09
http://pistonkilla.blogspot.com/
old spec HB T51 470 @ wheels @ 1.2 BAR, 555 @ fly 10.46 @ 130 @ 1.25 Bar
new spec FB T51 482 @ wheels @ 1.15 BAR, 570 @ fly

New Project
"el fénix" RX2 by Mark & Mark

Carl

Quote from: BlitzBoyreally tell me something I dont know hahahaha :rollin

So not really putting your money where your mouth is then!:Nono! :Hammer
LOL:chat
Carl

goldk28611

I\'ve just done this mod (a BIG thanks to John_Hudson who came down to give me a hand) and everything is fine so far expect one thing....

When putting my foot down the boost starts raising very nice from about 3.5Kish but then overboosts to 1.05bar (according to the Apexi commander looks about 1.1 on Defi guage) then it cuts on me - like a fuel cut amd boost drops  and repeats - i\'m getting very little det and injectors are only seeing 80%. We\'ve changed the seetting on the Apexi-commander too for the setup and checked all work and its ine.

Running 96 FD with uprated FMIC/RAD/Blitz D/V and Apexi power FC + Commander

anyone got any suggestinos on a shot term solution until i get this done the full conversion in a few weeks??

Thinking on a boost controller but am going away to Nurbugring on Thursday and dont have too much time :S lol (not going to be driveing it hard but dont want any cuts) so are there any settings i can change with the PFC Comm\' or will even an apexi boost  control solinoid work as can get one tonight...
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goldk28611

Morning Bump!! :D

Any suggestions at all?!? finish work in 3hrs and want to work on it again today...

Just to add to the above -

The car was re-mapped (before conv\') at .8bar by WGT last week.

arrouk

it sounds like you have no boost control, check the two solenoids at the front of the uim.
the feed to them and the pipes coming from them.

matt

cyman

if you now have the non seq setup but you had the map and apexi setup for seq i think you have to get the map/apexi resetup for the non seq setup. this may have nothing to do with it but worth mentioning