For anyone still registered as 2616cc

[WeasleRx7]

Sorry forget that last one, found it now (muppet)

[Ricco_04]

Hi guys, can I just sound dumb for a second and clarify this for myself?! In the brochure it says "Two 654 cc rotor units" Does it mean that the 3 sections/ports of the rotor hold 218cc (218cc x 3ports (654cc) x2 rotors (1308cc total) & 2616cc in B******T terms!!?

I used to hear when I first got interested in the rotary that the only reason for doubling up the capacity was that it was an equivalent output? How about the RX8 have all these been registered as 1308cc or 2616cc?

[FDRZRich]

I was gonna ask that, are there any \'8 owners around that could answer? Or should we go into their section and ask? Would be interesting to know!

[scooby_si]

lol at weasles new posting title http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008\' target=\'_blank\'>http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/29/29_1_9.gif\' border=0>
Was first registered late January so not a very long time ago & was taxed etc before i took delivery but i dont see how that effects anything really, i presume 8\'s are all registered as 2.6 also but anyway i\'ll see wot i can or more likely can\'t get out of them today................
Si

[WeasleRx7]

I\'m pretty sure you\'ll luck out today.  When \'browsing\' insurance companys I\'d noticed the Rx-8 was listed at 2616, so you cant even do the \'but it the same engine as the new one\' bit.

Right off to shi**y work. I is late. :wave

Simon

[davefrith]

Mine is regsietred as a 1.3 and has been since I aquired it

I don\'t see how they can refuse to change it for you if there are hundreds of other owners out there with it down as a 1.3

Surely thats a breach of some Brussels directive on equalty or something

Don\'t kick up too much of a fuss though or we might all have it changed to 2616

[iaint]

Mine was registered as a 1.3 but if DVLA sent me a letter stating that it hsould be 2.6 I wouldn\'t get all shirty about it \'coz realistically it\'s as powerful and thirsty as any 2.6 boinger - worse probably.

Not that I\'m going to volunteer any info on it!

As for the extra duty payable - it\'s only a tank or so of Optimax.

As a matter of principle though road tax is bad - it should be added to fuel cost and penalise people who drive alot!

Iain

[sadgoth]

As a matter of principle though road tax is bad - it should be added to fuel cost and penalise people who drive alot!

What do you mean added?!??? Haven\'t tha b@%$£*ds added enough to the cost of petrol already? When u think in terms of how much petrol costs here compared to the US (I have a couple of mates in the states who are complaining that gas is nearly $3 a gallon - thats just over £1.60 and they say that is too expensive??? ) And before anyone mentions it, yes the RON rating is lower, but that is down to the fact that they measure it differently, petrol quality is similar to ours.

Although I agree, scrap the road tax as it is just another stealth tax anyway, all it seems to be used for is to pay for schemes which make driving less enjoyable!

thought I\'d get on my soapbox as OJ hasn\'t mentioned anything on this thread yet!

cheers

[scooby_si]

ah balls just tryped out a summary of todays goings on but sodding PC crashed when i tried posting it :reallymad will redo that later i\'m currently working hard lol
Quicky thou 654cc does this actually refer to the volume on one side of the rotoro or the volume of all 3 on 1 rotor if that makes sense? ie wanting to know if it\'s only one side as they may try the well it\'s used twice or sumin (erm :confused: )would this be feasible if leading & trailing firing into the 654cc hole on every rotation?
Just trying to be knowledgeable for when they come back with more BS............
Si

[MikeLMR]

its a 654cc change in volume per "chamber"

[WeasleRx7]

OK going out on a limb here....

I believe that the 654cc refers to one side of the rotor, and as the \'crankshaft\' makes one full revolution for every combustion of that one rotor side then 654cc should be the correct capacity for 1 rotor.  And as there are 2 rotors we get 1308cc.

That compares to a piston engine of the same cc, where one up and down movement also turn the crankshaft one complete revolution, so a 2 pistion engine would be a 1.3 too.  Having said that because the piston needs to come back up again to expel the exhaust gases (4 stroke) you only get half the power?  So you need 2 more pistons  to get the same amount of power as a 2 rotor engine???  1.3 rotor=2.6 piston=why it\'s classed as double??!!!!

Are any of these ramblings making sense?? :confused:

[scooby_si]

Cool that should make for continued confusion tomorrow but a rough (very rough as i\'ve been to sleep er i mean work http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008\' target=\'_blank\'>http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/3/3_4_23.gif\' border=0> since then) so can\'t remember exactly what was said but gist as follows:

 (dodgy welsh accent mode on http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008\' target=\'_blank\'>http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_158.gif\' border=0>) "ah yes your vehicle is indeed a 2616cc"

Based on what, since i\'ve supplied you with the evidence you needed for a cc reduction in the form of written confirmation from a garage as per your paperwork on the V70 (the bit i\'d posted up previously)

http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008\' target=\'_blank\'>http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_158.gif\' border=0>Have you tried getting this from Mazda?

No i didn\'t know i had to since i\'ve supplied evidence as stated on your form.

http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008\' target=\'_blank\'>http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_158.gif\' border=0>Well if you can get it from Mazda....

Yes but surely i dont need to as you have sufficient evidence from a garage.

http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008\' target=\'_blank\'>http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_158.gif\' border=0>Ah but most the RX7\'s & the new RX8\'s are 2616cc

Ah yes but it doesn\'t say i have to get from Mazda on your form & i have infact gone to a rotary specialist who has confirmed this capacity to be 1308cc as per the supplied letter...

http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008\' target=\'_blank\'>http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_158.gif\' border=0>Oh that\'s (letter from garage) is only for a new engine...

(didnt say it but that\'s bollox i dont read it like that on the previous image only that written confirmation of change, as in the change to cc compared with what\'s on V5 thingy, although could i always claim i\'d had a rebuild & it is a 1308 after the rebuild, even thou it was 1308 before it anyhow.....lol)

But it states it on your letter as well that each rotor is 654cc which x2 only makes 1308cc by my reckoning?

http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008\' target=\'_blank\'>http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_158.gif\' border=0>Ah yes but there\'s 2 rotors so you have to times by 2

Oh yes..............................I DID THAT as per where your document states 2 rotors of 654cc each but then goes on to times by 2 twice so WHY?

http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008\' target=\'_blank\'>http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_158.gif\' border=0>erm

Only says this is defined in Automotive exhaust emissions directive?

http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008\' target=\'_blank\'>http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_158.gif\' border=0>Ah..............yes i\'m not familiar with that directive.

Well can you get me a copy please as i can see no reason why your timesing it by 2 again so i\'d like a copy to see what this is based upon although as i see it i\'ve supplied all evidience i need in relation to getting registered as 1308cc.

http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008\' target=\'_blank\'>http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_158.gif\' border=0>takes my no to ring back later.....pmsl

Later rings back saying amongst other things it looks like a mistake that a standard letter was sent out first & then later a standard one in relation to the rotary as i hadn\'t specified it was a rotary on mine.

Er dunno mate i never got a "first" letter i only got this latest one going on about the rotary engine & multiplying it by 2 twice unecessarily in relation to me having sent my V5 back with correct cc on & required evidence having noticed it was incorrect.

http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008\' target=\'_blank\'>http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_158.gif\' border=0>Oh so you just filled in the details on the back of the v5

yes

http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008\' target=\'_blank\'>http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_158.gif\' border=0>blah blah over the various this that & the other

me back on the Automotive Exhaust Emissions Directive thing




Bottom line he\'s going to try & find out & get me a copy of the ellusive Directive & we\'ll see what happens then.............

Si (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008\' target=\'_blank\'>http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_1_106.gif\' border=0> AKA pain in the ass http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008\' target=\'_blank\'>http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_2_111.gif\' border=0>, but hey it\'s giving me amusement knowing they\'re having to earn their money for a change http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008\' target=\'_blank\'>http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/3/3_7_1.gif\' border=0> lol)
PS nowt ment by the sheep thing just a way to distinguish my ramblings from the DVLA chappy.....

[WeasleRx7]

I\'m looking forward to reading a copy of the Automotive Exhaust Emissions Directive myself!

Don\'t let up on them Si (I know you wont).

[scooby_si]

who me let it lie NEVER i have a choice quote ready for tomorrow http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008\' target=\'_blank\'>http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_20_80.gif\' border=0> lol
Si

[scooby_si]

ahh int that sweet i\'ve got a nice new V5C document with an extra 16cc waiting for my return tonight http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008\' target=\'_blank\'>http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/29/29_4_68.gif\' border=0> lol
Si (apparently i have to check all details are correct lol)