Comparison / General Questions

[fdlover]

Hello All, this is my first time posting, so please be nice! lol
 
I have been a big fan of the FD for quite some time now, and this forum has been great!!! thank you all!!! learning things from the best launches by priming the drivetrain through to the boost leaks/spikes/creep.
 
I am currently deciding between the FD and the GT4 ST205.
 
I was just wondering if you would shed some light on some questions I have?
 
The things that bother me with the FD are the second turbo kicking in whilst on a wet road.
 
A Japanese car magazine quoted "you\'d have to been doing something extemely stupid to crash this car" when referring to the ST205
 
Also, I found this 1/4 mile Best Motoring clip...stock 205 vs. Stock FD Type RZ! the results might surprise some ppl, tho u can c quite clearly as they cross the line that if it was 50yds more the FD would **** on the Celica!!??
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj8-fBC6XHk
 
 
 
I\'ve heard ppl say about the low-down grunt of the twins, but also \'smooth power delivery\'?? hows that? do u still feel the G\'s? i want something to push me back in the chair really.
 
I would love to own the FD (got my sights set on a Rebuilt, Veilside, bare-arsed one) but things that are putting me off are the boost leaks (seems to happen regularly hence doing non-seq), and the weather lately, is it really that easy to come out of a roundabout backwards in the wet? or is it plain stupidity?
 
PIP is only 60mins away which is cool. Other than a rebuild, is there anything I should look out for when buying an FD? I know a new gearbox could set me back about £500-600, but is there anything else that could cause me to panic?? are the shifters prone to problems?? heard a few ppl say they\'ve shifted from 2nd gear to 5th!! any other common, expensive problems??
 
If I went for the FD, I would upgrade the Intercooler, cold air induction, straight-through, decent dump valve, apexi ECU & Commander and re-map, what would I be looking at for BHP??? do you need an external wastegate if u go straight through or would a re-map do??
 
Once again thanks for your help. Please give your opinions on the Video as well. Thanks!

[12A]

i think a lot of these questions ive already seen answered. what exactly is a GT4 ST205 ??

[nikp]

i think a lot of these questions ive already seen answered. what exactly is a GT4 ST205 ??

A 2.0 litre, 4wd turbo charged Toyota Celica.

[SiH]

I can\'t compare the 205, but.
I currently own an S14a 200sx - when it comes on boost it is a tad mental, it\'s lag, lag, spike.
I\'ve now test driven a few FD\'s, and the power delivery is totally different - smooth build up to screaming revs. I imagine the 205 is more of an SX type thing than an FD style delivery.
My SX was the first powerful RWD car i\'ve ever had, and in 2 and a half years of owning it, it\'s scared me once. Any RWD car will bite you if you hoon it around like an idiot. Respect it, and learn the car, and you should be fine.
The 205 will mask a lot of this due to it\'s 4wd system, which, imho is not as rewarding to drive - it\'s more of a point and shoot affair than the FD\'s finesse built handling. It will be a lot more forgiving.

[thetera]

Is it going to be a second car? The GT4 would be a better everyday car without a doubt but for sheer fun alone I\'d choose the RX

[m4drx]

thought you were talking about a peugot :eek

learning to real instead of skim :spank

[fdlover]

thought you were talking about a peugot :eek
 
learning to real instead of skim :spank

haha! that would be funny if a stock pug 205 beat a stock FD RZ in a 1/4 mile drag.
 
Isn\'t anyone surpised that a Stock Celica GT4 ST205 can beat a stock FD Type RZ???
 
On paper the Rex should of killed it power/weight wise?? i\'ve heard the Celica is heavy!

[thetera]

The Celica is geared shorter (145-150mph) and has 4wd - its going to get a better start.
 
I can\'t get on youtube at work - what were the ETs for both? Just because the GT4 crossed the line first in that vid it doesn\'t mean its actually a faster car

[Kash_]

looks like the RX7 was catching up once in third gear... the 4wd gives the GT the advantage

[interloper393]

as above, me n a m8 came out a slip road, i was in a evo 5 standard, him in a single tubed rex, altho i kept up, he started to pull away once higher revs kicked in lol.. 320bhp on a 4x4 is guna be quicker than a 320bhp rear wheel drive car due to better grip on the 4x4.. but the rex will wipe the floor we it.. every time , fit drag suspenstion n redo the test lol.. bet the gt4s a mile behind hehe

[mjwebb48]

I had a 99 t reg st205 and it was a great fun car but nothing compared to the rex. Quite a heavy car but 50/50 split 4wd can get a bit boring to drive after a while. No steer from the rear fun. Was cheaper to run though. Never had any trouble with it and it was mildly modded boost controller exhaust intake unichip etc.  Mind you havent had any trouble with the rex either!!
HTH

[sadgoth]

haha! that would be funny if a stock pug 205 beat a stock FD RZ in a 1/4 mile drag.
 
Isn\'t anyone surpised that a Stock Celica GT4 ST205 can beat a stock FD Type RZ???
 
On paper the Rex should of killed it power/weight wise?? i\'ve heard the Celica is heavy!

having read the specs on that vid clip, the GT4 isn\'t much heavier at 1380kg with 255ps at 6000rpm

with 4wd and that power & weight with the closer gearing of a rally type car the ST205 would be a match for the FD over the standing 1/4

[thetera]

I\'d take that 1380Kg with a pinch of salt, given that the previous model was 1520kg - the same as an R32 GTR!!!

[Mims]

Pah pistons! :Nono!

[FD3SNuttah]

a local guy round here owns one of those celicas and he wasnt able to keep up down country lanes.

but in the wet he would prolly hand my ass to me.