New toy WILL play :-D

[Prof]

Stu - the functions are written on the plug itself - from your picture - the right most connectors are the coil in the relay

The centre one is the COMMON relay connector, the Normally Open and Normally Closed are the left most 2 connectors.

When power is applied across the right most connectors, the centre connector will be connected to the NO pin, otherwise it is connected to the NC pin.

Cheers,

Prof. :cheers

Just spotted something - if you don\'t have anything connected to \'6\' or the other coil pin, then the relay will never operate - are you sure the correct relay has been used ? :?

[grinder]

if i wasnt confused before - i am now

i will see how many wires are in the actaul harness - damn these jap spec cars

Stu

[grinder]

right then - here is the wire shot

Stu

[Prof]

I remember these colours from mine !

The RED with GREEN stripe wires top row middle and right are from the 12V supply - they will probably be connected together.

The White wire will be grounded via a switch or another relay.

The 2 red wires (one with white stripe and one without) carry 12v depending on the state of the relay.  The top one will be live (12V) when the relay is energised.

If you want to \'fool\' the relay into coming on, simply ground the white wire.

BTW - This looks a lot like the hi/lo beam relay to me.

[grinder]

i will try grounding the white one to see what happens - if anything

it could be the hig/low beam as when mick tested his for me the lights came up , flashed and went down ( jap spec do this rather than the thru the FTP )

but his is a S4 so could be different

so when i get 20 mins i will ground the white one to see what happens ( if anything )

so if i ground the white - what SHOULD happen ?? any idea\'s

if i get chance i will take a pic of the relay bank and try to label what each one does - from the top of my head i have

1 - somesort of ignition relay - if you apply 12v the car clicks ( like it wants to start )
2 - the round one is air con
3 - i have a front fog relay
4&5 - no idea - i think these are low beam and high beam - so i assume both of these should trigger the motors ?? - unless its just the low beam one that should

the FMS and haynes manual are very very very limited in telling you what is what and what they actually do

if i can figure it out - then i might get a little write up of what each one does and how to test them for future reference

Stu
( must be getting closer now to fixing the last peice in the puzzle !! )

[Prof]

possibly nothing - if it\'s the hi/lo relay, then the main light relay will still be off, so the lights will not do anything - but the relay will click.

If its the lights relay - then the lights should come on even if they don\'t pop up.

AFAIK - there is no dip-dim relay or circuit on the jap import, but if the resistor is there under the air pump then it might have been fitted.  This is easy to test on the UK models - with sidelights on and ingition switch in the IGN position, the headlights should come on dimly, and will go off if the resistor is unplugged.  The circuit does not affect main beam, as the resistor is only in the dipped circuit path.

[grinder]

well grounded the white wire - and nothing happens

found another white one and ground that - again nothing happens

no clicking either

do i need the headlight switch connected at this point - or shouldnt it matter ??

do i need the ignition on ? when i did the last time i had the car running

Stu

[Moonwrap]

set off up the street and its OK - it moves at least - but the hold light flashes on the dash - not sure why or what it does


Stu

Hi Stu

As Prof\'s saying later in the thread, that\'s the hold function for the gears - so they won\'t change up or down.

If the light is lit up on the dash the "Hold" is on, if you press the button on the top of the gear stick it will take "Hold" off and it will be unlit on the dash board.

You can use the "hold" with gears 1, 2 & 3 or in "Drive" mode (automatic) - if you want extra control for cornering or accelerating - it just "holds" the gear that you were in when you set it.

If you want the box to be auto pop it in "D" for drive and let it be fully auto and use the "hold" as and when required.  It\'s very useful when you want alot of acceleration as there can be quite a delay in auto mode (only fractions of seconds) whilst it decides on the best gear and sometimes it changes it\'s mind twice! :eek

You can also just select gears 1, 2 & 3 and drive it as a manual car....

So glad you\'ve got to the stage to give it a spin!

:wave

[Prof]

well grounded the white wire - and nothing happens

found another white one and ground that - again nothing happens

no clicking either

do i need the headlight switch connected at this point - or shouldnt it matter ??

do i need the ignition on ? when i did the last time i had the car running

Stu

Stu - is there 12V on the RED/GREEN wires - if not then there is your problem.  If you have 12V, check that the 12V is still 12V when you ground the white wire - by that I mean if the relay does bring the bulbs in circuit, and the 12V is too high resistance (bad wiring) it will most likely drop the relay out again - this is what happened with mine.  I had to take a 12V feed from the lights fuse direct to the RED/GREEN pair (they should be connected together in the harness that goes across the front of the rad - best check that with a multimeter on resistance) on the back of the relay to get my lights working.



....and breathe....

[Mobilemick]

mick what happened on the motorway junction - at one point you was about 4cms behind me - then a huge gap opened up

Got to about 120 (well think it was me speedo only shows 100, then starts to bend)and u were still leaving me,  then the back end twitched a little,  so i **** meself and slowed down   lol

[grinder]

i prob left you as i was rolling in 3rd doing about 40 and just floored it - hit .8 of boost and left it there until it beeped at the red line

you have to remember aswell - im prob running 60 bhp more that you

Prof : not 100% sure what you mean to be honest - if i feed the lights with 12v from the battery i can get them to work - i just cant get them to pop up or work from the switch - so its either 4 bad switches or bad wiring to the cluster

i prob wont look at the car now until next week as im off on holiday on thursday AM and need to pack

Stu

[Grizzly]

Well i missed another one I do have a good reason my Missus has been proper ill so i\'ve had the week off to look after her (int it Sweet) just good timing (Sods law)

Sounds like you had Fun.

[grinder]

hiya chris - it was bedlem last night to be honest - they were stopping every car on the way in and telling them where to park

it was about 15 cars deep on the round-a-bout .. madness

you take care of your missus - its the safest way

Stu

[Grizzly]

Best bit is what ever she has i have now I felt bad all day today.

Was there a good Rx Turn out?? Did you take pics?? :yes

Ahh well looks like its going to be Dec meet now.

[grinder]

i didnt take pics matey

there were 2 FC\'s inc mine ( mobilemick came in his vert )

and about 7-8 FD\'s - so yeah a good turn out

Stu