desperate cry for help....

[FD3SNuttah]

alright not one to admit defeat easily im going to have to grovel...

can someone pleeeassseeee help me get my fc goin? the engine is in. the wiring is isorted (to the best of my knowledge) but i cant get the bugger started i know its nearly there cos it coughs a bit and then just turns over - im real stuck and its getting me down...

since owning that FD i have been proper skint and i need to sell this car - otherwise im going to have to resort to breaking it (dont bother posting asking for bits off it!) - which being such a mint car isnt what i want to do!

this is my last hope i need to get it sorted before summer ends.. is anyone out there?!

obviously i will reinburse you somehow / someway for your most kind effort!

Nas

[grinder]

i know this is daft but have you checked

1 - that you are getting fuel
2 - that each plug is firing
3 - you have the plugs in the right places

eliminate these and you are in with a chance

Stu

[FD3SNuttah]

i can smell fuel

i electrocuted myself holding a HT lead from the rear rotor while my sister (who knocked someone over in a car park at 5mph) cranked it

the plugs are in the right places...

edit i dont think its flooded cos it never has done it before??  

im so bloody confuzzled i need another person to help me who isnt a total noob like me!! :3Confused  :2Confused

i will pay for petrol (as long as you dont drive a rotor!  :p )

edit again

it did start for about 7 seconds and then i turned it off cos i was choking on the fumes (no exhaust on and it all blew into the car) then all that screaming and whooping the car thought bollocks to him i aint gonna go again!!!

[grinder]

errrr holding a HT lead shouldnt hurt matey ??

and have you checked that the plug leads are to the right plugs ( thats what i meant to say before ! LOL )

have you put a plug into each lead and checked to see if the plugs are firing ??

if you have fuel and a spark then try to bump start it - 20mph should see you right - if this works then you need to look at the starter etc...

if you CANT bump it - then ... errr pass ??

more ideas :

1 - if you crank it on the starter does it actaully spin ??
2 - have you flooded it with all this trying ( hence the smell of fuel )
3 - when you start it - depress the clutch and try and start it

im off to sand some mirrors - i will check back in a bit

Stu

Stu

[FD3SNuttah]

yeh i was kinda holding the blue bit on the end and it bloody hurt! the plugs are new!

i know its a really good engine as the oil is a beautiful golden colour and its got good compression...

i cant bump it cos i need a second person who knows how to do it!

cmon and help me grinder - ill pay for your diesel - feed you and ill even rub your shoulders and stuff!!

[kev-yorks]

Take the plugs out and see if there wet if they are chances are its flooded. If you\'ve got a blow torch then warm up the plugs to dry them if you\'ve got new ones even better. Give the battery a good charge overnight. While the plugs are out put a little ATF (auto transmittion oil/ power steering oil) in each lower plug hole turn it over by hand a third of a turn and a bit more oil then another third. Crank it over with no plugs in expect to get a lot of crap out of the plug holes. Refit the plugs if you\'ve another vehicle handy put jump leads between the two then give it a go. You will get loads of smoke out of the back which will only clear after a good run. The other alternative is the ATF trick and tow start.
Kevin

[paul3944]

I had my UIM off to replace the OMP spider when i put it all back together it would\'nt start more like a cough start.  :3Confused

It turned out to be the UIM was slightly resting on the bracket near the oil filler neck so not mating correctly with the LIM so causing a VAC leak.

I searched and checked every wire and lead until whipping it all off again to find my error.  :Thumbsup!

In short check for VAC leaks

Paul

[grinder]

that was one of my next suggestions Kev

Nas , i would love to come over - just a shame you are sooo bloody far away

try what kev said and see what happens ( if you dont have a blow torch - hold the plugs with pliers and stick them in the gas ring ! )

will one of your mates not tow you down the road ?? - it will only take you 20 mins tops and it will answer a LOT of questions

to be honest - it does sound like you have flooded it , this is how i got the cab started ...

1 - remove and clean plugs
2 - remove EGI fuse ( stops fuel )
3 - crank with no plugs in
4 - make sure battery is VERY good
5 - put everything back in
6 - try and start the car
7 - now then the fun bit - if its still not wanting to fire
8 - look where the fuel lines come out the fuel filter and into the rails - get some locking pliers - clamp the fuel line closed
9 - jump back in and fire her up
10 - she should fire with the excess fuel in the housing
11 - you will have enough time to jump out and remove the pliers

i flooded mine once ( the EGI ) when we went to the pub so phoned the AA and the guy came out and did steps 8 - 11 and got it started in SECONDS

after that i always carried some pliers in the glove box - yeah its a cheapo trick - but you know me matey and i used the same technique on my mates car

SUPPOSEDLY the S5 have a switch on the throttle that if you hold it to the floor whilst cranking it shuts the fuel off - i have never tried this as i have never flooded the black one

its something else to try

whilst im writing an epic post - make sure you have decent fuel in the tank and not dragging crap thru the lines

thats all i can think of at this moment intime - but like i said - try everything we have said - it will narrow down a lot of questions !!

Stu

( too windy outside to be sanding mirrors - so gave up without starting !! )

[banned advertiser]

I had a couple of instances where its been a bugger to start, if its almost catching, tow start it, works every time for me, reasonably hassel free.

[antnicuk]

it is important on a TII that the AFM is sealed properly to the front of the turbo as any air leak will mean unmetered air gets in and can make it hard to start.

[Grizzly]

Have you got the Timing right? i had a problem ages ago. turned out i did\'nt have the two dot lined up when i fitted the cas (if its been removed and refitted), set the bottom pulley to TDC (line the mark on the pulley with the wire pointer) then take the cas and remove the two screws holding on the top cover, now if you look at the base of it you\'ll see a line and on the gear you\'ll see a dot (line them up) then by holding the rotor in place (inside the top cover) lower it into the hole in the engine, as it ingauges let the rotor turn and then tighten it up roughly about center of the ajustment and put the cover back on.

Another i came across was when a mate fited a BOV and did\'nt block the hole of  in the Intake pipe, Dumb but it was having none of it..

What exactly have you done? was it just a lift one engine out and drop in another? or did you rebuild it? Does it pop and bang? If it was taken from another car did it run ok then?

[Grizzly]

errrr holding a HT lead shouldnt hurt matey ??

LOL it would if it aint conected to the plug at the other end.. The juice will take the route with the least resistance so it will usaly go to the plug but if there is no plug to go to it will track to you (your a quite good conductor) If you where holding the Wire with a plug in on an earth you would\'nt get a shock.

[kev-yorks]

errrr holding a HT lead shouldnt hurt matey ??

You can have a go with one of mine next time we meet Stu............don\'t plan on using your arm too much the following day though

[FD3SNuttah]

hahah yeh having hold of that HT lead was a shock!! made me nearly soil myself - lesson learned!!!

thanks for the replies you lot! now i have some more ideas to try out i will give them a go! Grizzly i simply took the engine out whole and placed it into another chassis so i havent taken anything like the crank angle and i checked the timing its ok.

first i thought that i had missed something but i have double checked and i think its just being a pain for no good reason - now if i do get it started what next? leave it runnin for a while yes? but will it start ok the next time? what do you guys reckon i should do to enable it to become a reliable starter once again?

Antnic the AFM is a little loose i will tighten it up more better tomorrow - didnt realise that it would be an issue...

failing the suggestions above i will convince the ol man to tow me up the road hopefully i will be able to drive it back down the street.

Cheers again
 
Nas

[sadgoth]

does sound like it\'s flooded. Also MAKE sure the leads are the right way round (I sepak from rather embarrassing experience - I had mine delivered to RX Motors after I\'d fitted the Microtech and it ran VERY rich and rough - basically spitting fuel out of the exhaust! turned out I\'d cross wired the ignitors and burned out one of the circuits BUT I\'d also had the trailing HT leads on the leading plugs and visa versa - yes it will run - sort of, but you wouldn\'t believe how badly!)