3 rotor conversion

[normski]

Ummm! I think you make some very good points there. I reckon I will for sure suffer traction problems. And yes, for over 300K for an Enzo, compaired to my thing it will be a super computer on wheels. and will although, my balance is good leave me for dust on a race track, due to the  spacecraft computer system on board. But as said before, In a real World road situation 99% of the time I don\'t think cars like these will ever shack it off, they are both just far far too fast for their top end attributes to displayed ( on a public road) they will/are Warp drive machines. Leave the High def handeling stuff to the rally boys.

Pip is hoping to drive it down to rotostock on the Monday to rack up a few miles and test it out ( if it\'s ready) But I am very sorry to say the nice Braided hose thing, and Electric water pump will not be in the car. ( it\'s a time thing) Ho, he has had the time to do it,s just, shall we say, been missmanged a little. So I am looking forward to seeing it running, but, as nice as I can be, a liitle unhappy it\'s not as we agreed. To me the car has been sat far far far too long for periods with alomst nothing happening to it. Now it\'s turned into one of those 11.30 hours jobs. For me not good!  :Hammer

The, bit\'s have been made, and thought about, so in that sense, it\'s not rushed. It\'s all those last little bit\'s which could have been done months ago to save this last min quick qiuck thing.  I have counted around 60 weeks the car has been there. Sorry, I don\'t care how complex the job. It does not take 60 weeks to do, if the job is paced out correctly.  But, what can I do, I have to suffer the situation. But time wise It could have been handled much much better.   :Typing  I just Hope it\'s something very very special. It should be!!!!!

[John Yorke]

Only observation I will make your post Normski is maybe you should have involved yourself some more and chivvyed Pip along a bit, you know what these engine builders/ Tuners are like, to many projects on the go and not enough hours in the day!

[20B_boy]

Sorry, I don\'t care how complex the job. It does not take 60 weeks to do, if the job is paced out correctly.

Like EVERY THING in life - it takes as long as it takes. The best laid plans and all that. This sort of job is bound to have involved contractors outside of WGT\'s control to do or supply odd (but vital) bits and bobs which may delay other majors parts of the project being continued. More often than not a company will tell you they can make some thing in 2 wks but actually take 4 wks. Or they dont come up with the goods at all after 5 wks of u chasing them everyday and in the end u give up and find some one else to do the work. Seriously, if you wanted the car back in a month you shouldve stuck with a 13B cause things NEVER happen in any time scale you might originally have foreseen. A wise man on this forum once said to me about a single turbo conversion: budget 30% more than your worst case cost estimate and 30% longer than your worst case timescale estimate

Hope you are nearing the finishing straight now anyway Normski. I know you must be frustrated as hell but I\'m sure Pip is as keen as you to get it up and at them

[normski]

:2eek  Again: Sorry to say 20B I think you could have a point or two there. But, come on 60 weeks. I have been given 3 or 4 dates as you all know Christmass 05 has come and gone, March 06 has come and gone. I am not the one who gave the dates. I just said last year it must be done for the April ( ish) 06 period as it\'s the beginning of the car seasons. I True or not I don\'t know, But he was the one who has said thing s (have happened) Like the rad was completed. and the engine would be in by next Monday/Tuesday sort of thing. then when you speak to them a week later, they say we have still to put the engine in.  So, reasonable question ( WHY ?)

Other factors: my old bits, have been rebuild, sold and installed into another RX7 and been running around for the past 4 to 6 months. Other quite big jobs have come in and gone out. And still my thing stis there. For my money, the time issue ie time to do the job is/was plenty. Pip with all his experience would know, all the potential gremlin problems which could occur, this car should have been where it is now 6 to 8 weeks ago. Hence my point on time management. We would then not have this jumping around like some mad flea situation we have now.  It\'s stress all round, could have been avoided thats all. We are off abroad, as said on the 3rd June, if it\'s not right or ont done, I will encure around £500.00 extra costs to come back and collect it ( who wants that ?)  :Grrr

[FDDreamer]

You must be really bummed...but every cloud has a silver lining and for you it\'s the thought of driving and owning a 20B-powered FD. You know the old adage about good things coming to those who wait...

I would have to agree on the time management, and having collection dates come and go must be frustrating...reminds me of a scene from Friends where Rachel is due her baby and numerous other women arrive at the hospital later and have their babies sooner!!

Having said that, regardless of Pip\'s experience a job like this is always going to throw up unexpected gremlins...although if i\'m brutally honest it does sound like your beast hasn\'t been the priority it should have been, and as a result now everyone is feeling the stress.

It\'s a great shame but only a temporary set back, after all you\'ve been waiting a long long time...what\'s another week or two if the car is going to be running great when you do finally have her back?  :p

It\'s very true about not being able to use the car to its fullest extent in everyday use. But then it\'s not an everyday car now, is it?! I reckon you\'ll just be content to use 1st, 2nd and 5th for a long time, just cruise along on a wave of torque. Bet the first time you drop a cog and floor it will be a moment to remember!!!

[JamesFD3]

Just count yourself lucky Pip and Dave are not charging you for all the man hours and bespoke engineering work for this job or you\'d be looking at a huge bill.I think Pip & Dave have been top banana for agreeing to help you out by sponsoring alot of the engineering work.Hope Pip does\'nt see this post as I guess he\'d be a little miffed about you complaining about timescales on the MRC. Due to WGT\'s sponsorship of the conversion and it\'s bespoke nature it will always take longer than forseen,don\'t forget their day to day commitents like common garden rebuilds and general servicing etc,so the 20B monster will be fitted in were possible.I\'m sure they\'ll get there in the end though and you\'ll be more than happy with the result.....!

[FD3SNuttah]

he wont be that miffed - id know where to go if i wanted a 20b conversion!

[normski]

I reckon /no, hope your right I have never driven anything like what this is going to be. 400 /450BHP yes, even some big 1100 cc jap bikes, but nothing like a 600 ish BHP car. when it was running the 13B with around 420BHP it was a monster. so at this time can\'t imagine what it\'s going to be like. No idea what so ever  ( any ideas) Please write in!  :flamed

[FDDreamer]

Only speculation but i\'m guessing 600+bhp in a car weighing <1300kg with little traction control (by modern standards) will feel bonkers!!

Probably find 1st and 2nd will be spent with the back squirming all over the road desperately trying to find traction, the 3rd will feel crazy fast...and then all of a sudden towards the end of 3rd (maybe even into 4th) you will find full traction and will probably be in pain from being slammed backwards with such force!!! From there it\'ll just be a matter of the Gs increasing until you just can\'t take it and change up for a brief respite, before flooring it again at which point the whole process begins anew.

And that\'s to say nothing of the soundtrack that will be accompanying all this mayhem. I am sure that afterwards you will feel it was worth every penny and extra worry line, and also that nothing is quicker!!

On a serious note, i think it\'ll be a case of running through a check list before you can even think of opening her up...is there another car within 2 miles of me, is there a corner within the next 1000 metres, did i have curry within the last 24 hours, etc etc. And if the answer to any of the above is \'Yes\' you must cease and desist immediately!!!!