For Sale Section

[20B_boy]

Well said John.

Now, hands up who wants to be a \'For Sale\' Nazi?

For Vendors I think its a case of:

you dont cough up and you have an entry in the vendors section giving your contact details, end of.

you cough up and you can advertise specific items for sale in a seperate section may be, or how about  x-p per advert?!!

I\'m with you John about \'sidelines\'; its some of these guys that are the worries IMO, I\'m all for free enterprise and all that but the many popping up from no where selling stuff from their \'bedrooms\' should be well sheriffed... if you wanna sell stuff using MRC as your means of advertising then you pay for the priviledge...

[J4P RX]

OK an idea...

How about we make the Vendors section only availble for posts by those users that have a Banner Ad?  If someone needs information about the parts/cars advertised then they can contact the vendor directly.

Alternativly, posts in that area could be moderatined before they are available to the public.  

Anyone who is clearly a vendor who then posts elsewhere will have that post removed???

As for individuals selling things (not companys) I kind of like it how it is.  If the vendors have genuine personal parts for sale then they could still post them here.

Lee

[johnf]

Lee

I think you used a very good phrase

"Genuine Personal Parts"

It shouldn\'t be too hard to seperate the items for sale using that rule.

[grinder]

just my £0.02 worth

if you have a trader who is selling parts - they offer them 2 choices

1 - pay for the banner adds
2 - MRC want a percentage of sales revenue

probs with choice two is how to moderate it - thats the killer

although this gives the traders the choice :-

1 - pay for a banner and get no sales ( no no )
2 - pay for a banner and get loads of sales ( keeps them happy )
3 - Pay 10% ( for example ) to the MRC for what they sell ( if no sale then no fee )
4 - pay 10% to the MRC and sell loads - could cost more than a banner add

i think to give a choice of "no banner no sale" - you could end up scaring a possible source of revenue away

if they dont know much about the club , why would they fork out XXX pounds for a banner - i know i wouldnt - but i would offer a percentage of what i sell , then the following year , i would re-look at the situation and work from that point

not sure if this is do-able - but its another avenue to look down

Thanks

Stu

( Already has coat in hand and ready to leave if this turns nasty )

[J4P RX]

if they dont know much about the club , why would they fork out XXX pounds for a banner

I presume they get information on the traffic flow through the site, or at least could ask for such things.

Cheers
Lee

[grinder]

this is true i suppose !!

i still think that there could be a simple solution to this ! - and we cant see the wood for the tree\'s !

3rd option let them pay on a month basis ( unless thats how it works ) - they pay a set up fee and then pay a monthly cost ( with the ability to change the adds )

i still think to get a company to pay for advertising is really hard on the net - i set up my own business doing something similar - and people dont want to pay to be seen on a site - they need a better incentive

the pay monthly thing could work - they can cancel at anytime and it always seems cheaper ( say £20 per month ) - although not sure what you guys charge anyways !!

you get them to set up a standing order ( no DD charges then ) - its all simple and they dont fork out a huge amount straight away - its a safe way to test the water

you can then do deals - pay up front for a year and get it at 85% cost , get 6 months for the price of 5 - it always looks like they get a bargain at the end of the day

its like a buy one get one free for something - the company still makes a profit and you get a bargain - every one is happy !!

[g11ary]

Guys keep it simple, dont give choices, you need a platform to work from. Had a builder in here, wanted 20 bathrooms, ordered them and on the day of delivery wanted to pay for them after selling the houses. #1 dont bank roll poeple, let them use there own bank, % and pay at end of yr, forget, every now and then you simply wont see it, choices give poeple excusses. #2 if a business man see\'s x views or members on a forum its not rocket science to weigh up the pro\'s and con\'s of advertising on that forum. #3 introduce for instance banner ads only to start and then as the advertising and forum grows slowly add ideas and grow, to much to fast. Rules that apply to one must apply to another, so treat traders the same as sideliners. Make yourself a very good disclaimer, and do not make recommendations, if it goes tits up you can be liable for that recommendation.

[g11ary]

good idea to let them pay month by dd. save a lot of hasle, cheaper opion to pull out and smaller outlay. But start on banners and then introduce ideas. No banner no advertising. Then move on.

[grinder]

so baiscally have a set price for a banner - end of story ?

if so - cunning plan i like it !

but what happens in 6 months and its not working - it needs a rethink - so what happens to the people who have already paid ( if any )

wouldnt the club loose out if it was a fixed price - they are buying space on a site that may close tommorrow - where is there security ?

you need a VERY well worded disclaimer ( for down time etc.. )

i just think that its a hard rule to follow and may loose possibly advertisers

[grinder]

just out of intertest are there advertisers knocking on the door - or is this to try and sort it before it starts ?

[g11ary]

any ads brought down would be on a prorata basis and good idea for pay monthly so that then would not be a problem. Introduce banners and then intro addition ideas not replacements. Just think you need to walk for running.

[Carl]

As a vendor on this site I think if I get charged for advertising in the vendors section I should stop posting any free advice on the forum.
I think I will get people to pay for it in future.That way I can offset my costs for advertising.
I just think that the club already has rules on advertising that work.The Banners are paid for and the vendors section is free.
Why are we trying to make life complicated,I think that no one is abusing the priviledge.
This is a club,not a business(Yet)if we go that far then Clive and Lisa should get paid for all the work they are doing and so should the moderators.
Come on lads,lets keep it a club.
I am a member because I love the rotary first and foremost and try my best to help as many as possible with their cars,it\'s not allways about business you know.
Kind regards
Carl

[scooby_si]

But i still feel for anyone who isn\'t a trader as such, they should be totally free to put an advert on for soemthing they want to sell regardless of their post counts & such like. Sure if it becomes obvious they are purely selling their products & that\'s all their doing then it maybe worth having a word to check it aint a professional ttrying their luck but if it\'s just someone who say lurks or doesn\'t fancy posting as freely as some of us doesn\'t mean they should be barred from using the facilities as i feel having plenty of nice goodies for sale is a benefit to the members who use the site.
Sure i realise it all needs to be funded which is where the companies which can benefit from the publicity come in but i feel any other non professional types shouldn\'t be limited to how they can use it (unless it is innappropriate to the community or the board)
All IMO & based largely on the popularity of the for sale section on scoobynet which despite it being badly set up in terms of space & the fact threads disappear off the page in a matter of hours is a very good place for member who are registered or even not to find bargains & desired goodies
The sticky on that section is as follows & i think covers most eventuallities nicely:

The Scoobynet "FOR SALE" forum is for non-commercial private sales only. If you wish to advertise commercially on Scoobynet please contact webmaster@scoobynet.co.uk or shaun@scoobynet.co.uk to discuss Banner Ads or Scoobyshop.
All posts and threads within the "FOR SALE" forum must only contain information pertaining to the advertising of goods, or the request for information about such goods. Replies to adverts complaining / questioning the price or quality of the goods are harmful and often misleading and are therefore not allowed. For this reason, "buyer beware" is also an important consideration.

"For Sale" posts, linking to references on sites such as Ebay, is also not allowed. Posts containing such links will be edited.

This Forum is a service provided for Registered Scoobynet Members only, and should not be used to offer goods on behalf of a third party. Any such threads will be deleted.

Scoobynet takes no responsibility for any transactions being made between seller and buyer.

Any posting that contravenes any of the above, will result in immediate removal without explanation. Repeat offending may result in your details being published and further action (including legal action) taken.

Your posting within this forum indicates you acceptance of these terms.

Just a few of my thoughts as i have purchased many goodies from there privately & i feel a large degree of freedom where not abused is very good for members of the board.
Si (yes i do occasional have thoughts lol)

[20B_boy]

Was any thing concluded about this at all?

[g11ary]

No I thnk it died when Carl posted. Personally I think Carl you should charge for your expertise and dont give all the secrets away, you are in business to earn money the same as me and everyone else posting, Im sure if the boot was on the other foot many of the IT boffs on here would not come and set my all singing web site up foc. There is a difference between being helpful and letting poeple take the p**s. Fine line. I would not go on an ceramics forum and tell everyone where I import all my goods and IT guys would not go on line and offer there software for free.