‘Re-iterating what MRC is all about…’

[Carl]

The club should stick by the decisions made at the agm.That is the proper place for all of this,and if you are not a member then you don\'t get a say.
This forum and club are one and the same,there are not 2 seperate things here.Both are heavily intertwined.
They are just areas of the same thing.
Also I think that the thread on FDUK about the MRC line on memebrship really shows who are genuinely interested in the welfare of this club.
FDUK is not a free club for those that run it,and it cost\'s the two guys to run the forum,they pay for others to be members out of their own pockets.
MRC choose to be run by paying members,so if you are a non member and don\'t like it,just leave the rest of the paying members to run their club how they see fit,but if you really don\'t like the way the club is run,then the way forward for the non members who don\'t like it is to join and then they can really make the changes that they would like to see.
£25.00 is a paltry sum for being a member who can have a real say in what goes on.
Regards
Carl

[kev-yorks]

Maybe the way forward for you members is to treat this as a forum, you will still have your club, the problem here is the mixing up club / forum thing.

I think you will be losing more than you will be gaining by this exclusion, if the club had an exclusive part [to discuss \'club\' busines] you would maintain that status and keep your open forum, you could have your \'club\' meets / events and charge non members if they wished to attend.

John what evers done you can\'t please every body as you know all of the time. Whilst changes are being made to curtail some of the non member privilages the idea is to keep the forum open to non members whilst encouraging them to join up and help the club grow. The search facility and wealth of tech posts are still going to be available to all. There is going to be no restrictions of non members replying to post so for instance a non member has a gearbox prob whilst he cant start a new thread he can read all the relevant posts with the search tool if he still cant find what he wants post a reply on the most relevant thread asking the question as he would now. Its just going to be that bit easier for the members thats all hence the encouragement to join.
As regards non members paying to go to meets who really wants to stand at the entrance all day collecting money rather than enjoying the event. If you go to shakesphere its to watch the racing not the entrance.
As regards the forum being seperate from the club its all in the name MAZDAROTARYCLUB.COM
As i said before whatevers done it wont please EVERYBODY but the forum is still open to all it will just be easier for members and they will have more content. Hence the encouragement to join.
Kevin

[TRex]

Always one of the funniest subjects on here!  :Giggle

 Feck if you \'own\' and can afford a Rotary upkeep, then to b1tch and moan about paying a measly £25 is sad!

[robedwards99]

The search facility and wealth of tech posts are still going to be available to all. There is going to be no restrictions of non members replying to post so for instance a non member has a gearbox prob whilst he cant start a new thread he can read all the relevant posts with the search tool if he still cant find what he wants post a reply on the most relevant thread asking the question as he would now. Kevin

Well said

[2qk4u]

I am probably going to get flamed, but I think we have the balance correct at the moment of what non-members can and cant do. Clive has a good atiitude to not turn anyone away from a club meet, but I really think this ought to extend to the forum as well. Any attempt to bully or manipulate someone to join is going to turn people away, I\'m afraid.

The club made the forum, but I really think that the forum is the best way to get people to join the club. I think if we restrict the forum any more, we start restricting our potential to get members to join.

Clive forgot to mention another benefit of being a member, you get the Mazda magazine, which would nearly cost you £25 a year anyway.

There, I had my say, (Oldone, I hope I voted wrong !).

non members, please dont be discouraged, we NEED you on the forum. Of course it would be nice if you joined, if you wanted to.

:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))

I agree with what you are saying,I am a non-member and I am going to loose out on this,I wont benifit from membership because im not in the UK.
if the forum gets restricted the site will loose ppl.I think its a bad move..
I agree with membership on principle but if I cant reap the benifits why should I pay just to post ?
Overseas people get guest membership but I cant ?

[RobbieRX-7]

By stoping non members starting new threads, it will make the forum much tidier for when you need to do a search yourself. Im gonna put myself in a newbies shoes... Ive just bought an rx7 and i want some info, i do a search on the net and come across MRC. After reading lots of information i think bloody hell this clubs good aint it?? To be a part of this club and get discounts you need to pay £25pa after you have just forked out £££££ on a rare sports car that no one knows about. You don\'t want this club (MRC) to dissapear without a trace, so you will help out as much as possible to keep it alive. I agree to the long post oldone made on the first page..only real enthusiasts will pay the membership fee.

[rx7veilside]

I think it is now self evident that that mrc wants to move toward being a club more than a forum as this seems to be the crux of the problem.my reasons for being on here are more as a forum discussing matters helping each other out and attending the occasional show on the stand to let others see the rx7 and get more people to buy them.I think there are a core of people who are rotary enthusiasts who prefer a club based system for some reason,prob why fduk was formed as a lot of people just like to get together now and again talk about their cars and swap info on a forum that is really a chat line.People have enough rules and reg in their lives allready and this is meant to be light hearted fun.I am def not telling anyone how to run this club and never have done as a non member but giving an opinion is a different thing.I dont see that the comments made against me and the decisions taken at the agm will further the membership and whats next no non member cars on the stand.As i stated before the turnout was sadly lacking at japfest last year and ticket sales are going slowly again this year.i hope to be there with my highly modified 7 hoping it will encourage others to buy and spread the appeal.As regards tech posts rx7club.com and nopistons.com is awash with tech info and features so not a problem with asking anything,just a shame as it will mean less tech posts on here..someone said it will make the tech post clearer, why do u gain knowledge by becoming a member
there are not enough rotary enthusiasts out there to sustain this kind of bickering and having met clive a couple of times i dont know him well but i think he must be in despair that this has happened
and all because i posted a tech post and rcvd sarcasm instead of discussion
 

[Red and Single]

Personally, I feel if you\'ve used bandwidth, paid for by the club members, to the tune of 600 odd posts, you should put your hand in your pocket and contribute :chat

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[Carl]

My post you RX7 veilside was "Join the club and we\'ll tell you,judging by the number of post\'s you have you are more than a casual user."
That was certainly not sarcastic,just a statement and an encouragement to join this great and obviously useful club to you.
The club is evolving through time,but has certainly allways been a club.
FDUK is very specifically FD RX7 oriented,the two people who run it and pay for the forum there may have very little rules,but there are rules in spite of this,the difference being that members do not get to really have a true say in what goes on,but those that run it decide if they like what other want.
The difference between us and them is that if you are a member on MRC you can have a say.Why not join up and then you too can have a say in things on MRC?
I have no doubt that you would be an asset to the club.
Regards
Carl

[John Yorke]

My post you RX7 veilside was "Join the club and we\'ll tell you,judging by the number of post\'s you have you are more than a casual user."
That was certainly not sarcastic,just a statement and an encouragement to join this great and obviously useful club to you.
The club is evolving through time,but has certainly allways been a club.
FDUK is very specifically FD RX7 oriented,the two people who run it and pay for the forum there may have very little rules,but there are rules in spite of this,the difference being that members do not get to really have a true say in what goes on,but those that run it decide if they like what other want.
The difference between us and them is that if you are a member on MRC you can have a say.Why not join up and then you too can have a say in things on MRC?
I have no doubt that you would be an asset to the club.
Regards
Carl

Exactly what I have been pointing out, nothing like a bit of bullying - you want the answers join the club!!
All you are doing is driving the prospective CLUB members away - try seperating club / forum I think you will find the club will grow.
The direction you are going will turn it into an exlusive \'members only\' forum. It is quite noticable that overseas posts have deminished is this because of the restrictions imposed?
I for one will not be frequenting this forum like I used to [no great loss I hear you say!]
If you go back to Clives 1st post on this subject he stated his original idea for MRC was CLUB based with a forum to communicate and spread the rotary word, I think that principle holds a lot of sence.

[iaint]

It is quite noticable that overseas posts have deminished is this because of the restrictions imposed?

I don;t think so as the changes haven\'t been implemented yet!

I for one will not be frequenting this forum like I used to [no great loss I hear you say!]

Don\'t be daft John - of course it\'d be a loss, the club needs all the viewpoints and all the experiences if it\'s members for the forum to work.

Iain

[clive]

By stoping non members starting new threads, it will make the forum much tidier for when you need to do a search yourself. Im gonna put myself in a newbies shoes... Ive just bought an rx7 and i want some info, i do a search on the net and come across MRC. After reading lots of information i think bloody hell this clubs good aint it?? To be a part of this club and get discounts you need to pay £25pa after you have just forked out £££££ on a rare sports car that no one knows about. You don\'t want this club (MRC) to dissapear without a trace, so you will help out as much as possible to keep it alive. I agree to the long post oldone made on the first page..only real enthusiasts will pay the membership fee.

Good Morning all, the bleary eyed despairing President of this Club here.

Despair No 1.

First of all Mr 2Q4U, well your not going to be cute on here with yer whinging about short-circuiting the "international ruling"
We do not only have full paying members on here who are from Ireland, we also have a particular member from Southern Ireland who has not only travelled here for a least a couple of events every year since the clubs formation and I counted at least FIVE times he travelled here on one occasion !.
Now your going to come back and say what\'s in it for me because I\'m not going to come to meetings ?, well you should get free insurance, AA / RAC discounts and a nice shinny Mazda Mag pop through your door if nothing else.

Despair No 2
Now then I still feel that all the Non-members on here are still missing the point also of why members are getting upset, please read this below if you missed it at the start of this thread.      




"I will now ask the non-members reading this to picture this,

You are standing in the queue at Asda\'s and the man behind you has just had the same value of goods go through the check out as you did that you had just paid for and yet after he has loaded his bags he is told "off you go, no need to pay".

Now imagine how you would feel, this describes how I know many members feel about people taking advantage of the facilities of the club".
Personally I would have prefer to see a cap put on the really high posters who had taken more than enough shopping out the door of MRC indicating they were more than just a casual users that paying members were subsidising, that said I would never ever want anyone to feel bullied into joining the club but at least this would stop members feeling they were paying for high posting non-members "air time".

( this is a generalisation not aimed at anyone)  


Despair No 3

Why should I pay money when I only "Use" this forum?

Well as has been already said,  "The Forum is not Free" with costs around of around £1500 per year as does the "free" FDUK site where I was told last night all you non members and some members have been off to bickering and whinging about MRC as if they haven\'t done enough on this site they are now contaminating another site with grizzling from here.

I will remind you all again FDUK is not free and is only existing because it has two FD enthusiasts who act as benefactors for their site, one thing I am sure of is they are not paying to keep their site up n running so you can all go there a moan about MRC!

Despair No 4

It was mooted and agreed by the members of MRC the changes that will be taking place shortly but what you have all missed even though it has been posted is that we have a search facility at the top of every page so if a non-member needs assistance there is a HUGE data-base where they can type in their problem and receive answers from 4 years of posts.

Despair No 5

If it\'s a club and not a just a forum where is all the Mazda history, use the search button there\'s loads and loads of Mazda history both in text and video.


Despair No 6

It\'s not fair, I am a member and couldn\'t get to the AGM because of ---------------------------------------- and all these changes have taken place.

Well if you would have read the site you will see you were all asked for your input before the meeting, and as some did your comments concerning changes to your club were read out in the absence of their presence.

It is even being said now "can we have an on-line" AGM next.

Well what a cop out that one is !!!!!!!!

Any AGM consists of people in a room interacting with other people to attain an out come that then becomes voted upon.

When I was racing our AGM/ awards ceremony that I attended  year after year on a WEEKDAY EVENING with 2 to 300 people attending and was "A MUST" because of fear of  a rule change and a person not being able to have their say !

Personally I find the request where it is being said can  I vote remotely  a damn insult because why in the hell should have Glenn, Lisa, Kevin and myself even bothered getting out of bed to go if on one hand you
"care passionately about the club" and yet then on the other hand look for ways around not having to get off their bums to attend.

We have held this on Sundays and Saturdays to try and accommodate, perhaps someone could find an eighth day in the week that would allow more people to attend.

Despair No 7

Someone has even said we are a forum more than a club ! Kev Yorks has tried to attend to this but I don\'t think anyone was listening.

So I will ask what part of Mazda Rotary "CLUB" .com do people not understand???.

The forum is the day to day running of MRC.


Despair No 8 and my last Despair

I see you all passionately ranting about the club and yet we are unable to get people to come forward and assist the club.
We have asked recently for assistance with Rotorstock, site admin , newsletter stuff, design work etc, and require this for the club to continue operating properly, indeed we will be reviewing if there will even be a Rotorstock 4 one month after R3 because of this apathy.  


Over the last few months I have watched many people moan and criticise MRC including some who are even selling cars after stating they are not coming to events and will not be joining the club again and yet still have to put as much "effort" into slagging MRC off as they can !!!!!!!!!!!!,if your really going please just go and leave us all in peace.

I will say lastly to all you lot who have moaned so passionately about MRC that if you could actually direct some of this energy into "Actually doing something to help the Club go forward instead of backwards" rather than criticising it then what



A BIGGER BETTER CLUB WE WOULD ALL HAVE.


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