Are you worthy of living in this country?!

iaint · October 13, 2011, 10:12:30 AM

Quote from: Will66;793633In Denmark the beer is really pricey, but it\'s a bit warmer than Sweden.

True!

On two consecutive trips to Sweden I had the joy of -18C when I got off the train in Kalmar and 30C in Kristianstadt. The -18c was apparently mild for the time of year and the 30C normal.

Lovely country and the natives make it all the more plesant.

jetpilot · October 13, 2011, 10:24:27 AM

Quote from: jetpilot;793914Interesting, so if you all had one question you could add to the test, what would that be?

I shall have a think on mine

Actually i have decided the whole test is a farce, as its English and as we all know, a % cant even speak/read the language.

So in essence, my question would be, written in English

1) Do you understand what you are reading in this question?
a) Of course, i speak the language and wont drain the economy with interpreters
b) Â£50,000 and a free house
c) No benefits for you

jetpilot · October 13, 2011, 10:31:50 AM

In all seriousness, i wouldnt even have a question! The test paper would be written in English and if thats where they fall down, not a chance your staying here!

Lacey · October 13, 2011, 01:36:17 PM

The test should consist of questions relevant to modern-day living with a POSSIBLE bit of history. Mainly popular history - what is Big Ben?

The main questions should be things like What is the current minimum wage?
What is the speed limit on X road (which they have one of)
Are you legally obliged to school your children or is it optional?
How old must a person be to be in full time employment?
What is the maximum hours a person can work?

Things that are actually RELEVANT!!!

AtomicRex · October 13, 2011, 01:44:12 PM

I got 18/24.....but check your answers....as it claimed I hadnt put down 5 answers correctly....so in actual fact ended up with 23/24.

I just didnt know when women could actually get divorced! So had a 25% chance on that one!

AMH · October 13, 2011, 01:48:16 PM

Quote from: AtomicRex;793999I got 18/24.....but check your answers....as it claimed I hadnt put down 5 answers correctly....so in actual fact ended up with 23/24.

No way? How do you know all that stuff??

Aren\'t they changing the law so that you have to be able to speak English before you\'re even allowed to come into the Country now? (I don\'t mean for a holiday before anyone asks).

BTW AR - there\'s a guy trying to contact you on this thread.

AtomicRex · October 13, 2011, 01:52:22 PM

Quote from: AMH;794003No way? How do you know all that stuff??

Aren\'t they changing the law so that you have to be able to speak English before you\'re even allowed to come into the Country now? (I don\'t mean for a holiday before anyone asks).

BTW AR - there\'s a guy trying to contact you on this thread.

Yeah....just seen that, about to contact him....thanks for that.

I rather liked History at school, plus my Mum is involved in politics so I have to keep up with current items, or she birches me!

BlitzBoy · October 13, 2011, 01:54:50 PM

I think the main criteria for being in this country should be can you read and write English with an exam to test, all other questions are bonuses

B.Martin · October 13, 2011, 01:57:35 PM

It think you should be earning and paying tax before receiving any benefits.

AtomicRex · October 13, 2011, 02:02:45 PM

Quote from: BlitzBoy;794006I think the main criteria for being in this country should be can you read and write English with an exam to test, all other questions are bonuses

I do agree, you should be able to demonstrate that you are capable of reading, speaking, and lastly writing. I put them in that order as reading is imperative, speaking you can always get around issues with using a different word, and last writing.....there are plenty of spell checkers!

It is difficult to express the need to have the 3Rs (oh the irony) when a vast majority of the UK cannot actually communicate to the standard expected by incoming migrants.

The history side, is a plus point, but I do think it is good to have an understanding as to where you have come from.

Aceman · October 13, 2011, 04:45:10 PM

Quote from: AMH;793911I\'m afraid the wages one is correct (don\'t know if the percentage has changed) but women are still paid less on average. Obviously the minimum wage etc is the same and they will argue that there are less women in the top jobs - which is true.

Ah, the usual issue confusion..

Women, in general, are not paid less than men.

But women overall are paid less than men..

See the confusion??

On a like for like job basis, the difference is very little now (no self respecting company would ever even contemplate doing anything else!).

But in total, because there is more of a trend for women to take lesser paid, and part time work, then women are paid less than men.

Make sense?

Hence Harriet Harmen needs shooting. She has confused the two and so now everyone thinks women are paid less than men for doing the same job.

The issue should be more around why women take lower paid, and more part time work (which is generally lower paid per hour also) and don\'t strive as much as men for the higher paid jobs (ignoring the old "boys club - it\'s ain\'t what you know, it\'s who you know" which I grant you still does go on, albeit much rarer these days..). It is still also inbred in our behaviour for women to stay at home and raise the children, rather than the men which I guess impacts it.

Sorry.. Random off-topic one....

Will66 · October 13, 2011, 04:51:48 PM

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

For instance, 6 out of 7 dwarves are not happy!

I\'ll get my coat!

Aceman · October 13, 2011, 05:01:14 PM

Just re-read my post and it possibly could read like I\'m being a bit of an ass..

It\'s not meant that way sorry - I just hate politicians going around spouting a version of the truth, but making implications from it to the electorate which the majority of dumb lemmings who populate this planet then take it to mean..

Harriet Harmond being a personal hatred of mine for this very issue. She cries it\'s unfair women are paid less for doing the same job, yet uses the average as this comparisson and not actual like for like roles..

She\'s on my "politicians I\'d like to kill" list, along with that short woman from Liverpool (in labour who used to ride a moped?), Ed "we can save the world from a debt crisis by creating more debt" Balls, and Eric "just one more sandwich won\'t do me any harm" Pickles...

Prof · October 13, 2011, 06:23:59 PM

Quote from: Aceman;794067Just re-read my post and it possibly could read like I\'m being a bit of an ass..

It\'s not meant that way sorry - I just hate politicians going around spouting a version of the truth, but making implications from it to the electorate which the majority of dumb lemmings who populate this planet then take it to mean..

Harriet Harmond being a personal hatred of mine for this very issue. She cries it\'s unfair women are paid less for doing the same job, yet uses the average as this comparisson and not actual like for like roles..

She\'s on my "politicians I\'d like to kill" list, along with that short woman from Liverpool (in labour who used to ride a moped?), Ed "we can save the world from a debt crisis by creating more debt" Balls, and Eric "just one more sandwich won\'t do me any harm" Pickles...

Made sense to me

AMH · October 13, 2011, 07:40:00 PM

Quote from: Prof;794092Made sense to me

Me too - and I\'d never call you an ass Ace (other words do come to mind :Giggle )

I agree with you and I think that\'s what the question was referring to - hence it\'s still correct. The majority of employees of my company are female but they are mainly in the lower grades - the percentage split is less and less women the higher the grade. Very few women get to board level - I think that\'s fairly standard for most large companies.