Well time to start again i think(track car)

[turbotoaster]

ok cool that sounds fun, didnt you mention yours weighed a hell of alot more(+200/300kg), have you recently stripped it all out?

or is this another one you have bought?

[mattfduk]

You know it\'s not R888\'s this year dont you ...

[turbotoaster]

i heard that toyo arnt sponsoring it this year but you are allowed to run them as there was a big thing about it because people had already spent there money on them.

I dont know if you are allowed to run other makes of tyres this year yet, still waiting for verification, unless you know more than me?

[mattfduk]

Had an email from Glenn to confirm what size tyres I would be running if I was to run this year, my guess is Maxxis will be the tyre deal as they are into everything bar TA at the moment

[turbotoaster]

well if they do the times are gonna drop dramatically.

Its gonna be alot harder for the 2wd cars now as maxxis best tyre is only like a toyo t1r so getting traction out of the corners is gonna be fun.

It would be nice for them to do what they do in japan and let them run whatever tyre they like aslong as its road legal., that would help save some money i think as 888s are so dear!!

What sort of discount did you get off the 888s when you competed, about 25%?

the americans are allowed slicks in the pro class, be cool to see how fast the pros over here would be with them.

[rbs14a]

ok cool that sounds fun, didnt you mention yours weighed a hell of alot more(+200/300kg), have you recently stripped it all out?

no same car, weighed 1320kg last year with me (78kg) shed alot of weight but new cage to go in

[RobMatthews]

i\'ve not checked toyo prices lately, but where did you pluck a figure of 1600 quid?

befor buying my last set of 888\'s last year they were £700 fitted and balanced for a set

[Swanny_UK]

Rob, I think the price is based on this (which TT posted on his thread PassionFord:

the thing that sucks is the tyres(285 front/335 rear) i need cost £1400 for the set and i would imagine ill only get probably 2 rounds out of them if im lucky:grrr:

I can\'t honestly see why you think you need that massive tyre width, or extra track.  The FD is a superb car out of the box, and and some well chosen parts, mainly in the reliability department would make a competitive car.  The biggest factor in this venture as a TA car though - is going to be the driver.

If I was planning on doing TA, I\'d sort a good, reliable car and get in as much actual driving tuition and practice in as you can.  That will give you the best bet.

[turbotoaster]

no same car, weighed 1320kg last year with me (78kg) shed alot of weight but new cage to go in

is that with no cage or your old cage

are you going for CDS or T45 as theres a little bit of weight there

also 1048kg is pretty good, is that with metal doors? and are you still running the stock dash and wiring etc as theres some saving there

i\'ve not checked toyo prices lately, but where did you pluck a figure of 1600 quid?

befor buying my last set of 888\'s last year they were £700 fitted and balanced for a set

335/30/18 are £417 each
285/30/18 are £397 each

Rob, I think the price is based on this (which TT posted on his thread PassionFord:


I can\'t honestly see why you think you need that massive tyre width, or extra track.  The FD is a superb car out of the box, and and some well chosen parts, mainly in the reliability department would make a competitive car.  The biggest factor in this venture as a TA car though - is going to be the driver.

If I was planning on doing TA, I\'d sort a good, reliable car and get in as much actual driving tuition and practice in as you can.  That will give you the best bet.

i look at it that im not gonna have the power of Matt Webb so i need to make it up in other ways.

im only gonna be 400bhp, hes around 500bhp at 1.1bar

If im 50kg lighter(i think hes 1050kg), have much more mechanical grip and more aero grip then i can hopefully pull that back.

thats the plan anyway

[Swanny_UK]

I see the logic that you\'re applying to being down on power, and therefore you feel mechanical grip may give you an advantage in other aspects, that\'s not my point. Simply put, logic would dictate to start with a basic sound, reliable car, do a season and is it progresses *then* decide if you need an extra 80mm of tyre width at each side at the back.... or just practice, practise, practise, know your car, know the tracks, and out drive the competition.

[turbotoaster]

well matt runs 265 tyres all around so theres no point being able to just get on the power out of the corner the same time as him, to make up 100bhp i basically need to be on the power much much earlier, hence the big rear rubber/

Someone who used to race once told me circuit racing is like doing lots of little drag races, the earlier you get on the power compared to your rival, the quicker you can get to the next corner.

Thats the sort of idea im going along with.

The good thing looking at the other competitors in the RWD class is that apart from Matt there isnt much competition, ie matt at brands was 2.5secs faster than the next guy.

Also my thoughts are that because the tyres are much wider theres less lateral loading per square inch so it should mean the tyres arent pushed as hard, get to hot and go off which seems pretty common from what ive been reading with 888s, being able to put more laps in during the 15min session may allow me to get the max out of the car(have more laps to explore the limit on each corner)

Also less chance of wheelspin again making the tyres last


Of course this is all subjective because i wont really know how fast the car is until i get it out there and pound the laps in, i need to get it to a track to get it all setup how i like it so i have more confidence on its abilities and like you say more importantly my own abilities, ive only ever raced karts and done trackdays in fwd cars so this is a big step up

In regards of progress, im thinking of running it at 400bhp for a season then sticking a big turbo on it and running around 530-550bhp the following year.

Im hoping i come to a decent agreement with my insurance company over the next couple of weeks which will give me a bit of money to get the shell painted and to the point where i can start bolting stuff on, once thats done ill get it corner weighted to see if all my plans worked

[mattfduk]

Mat and me both run 255\'s I belive Lee.
 
I dont see why you think you need so much tyre to be honest, look at the Revolution car thats 295\'s all round and the quickest current TA car in Japan.
 
Also look back to the Gobstopper that ran 235\'s all round and didnt have 800 plus hp it was more like 550 plus the gas.
 
Not trying to say your wrong in what your doing but I think you might be suprised what some of the top cars do and on what tyres

[turbotoaster]

i think i read mr webb was running 265s last year, maybe he will pop on to confirm.

Are you gonna do time attack this year again at oulton or just continue to do track days, what sort of times are you running around oulton last time you were on a trackday?

its true the revolution has 295s all around but remember that car will produce much more downforce than i will be able to create, there most recent time around tsukba was done my increasing the downforce on the rear as they were getting wheelspin at the 2 hairpins, ill be running a big diffuser and wing but i think that type of downforce that car produces is above my abilities to create.

remember though the gobstopper has 4wd, that means your equally sharing the power out between 4 wheels and not 2(yes i know its variable with DCCD)

Maybe i might end up being wrong and find that bigger tyres actually make me slower due to more unsprung weight and heavier rolling resistance, but wont know until i try it.

[787b]

hello , where did you get the rear grp arches from as im trying find a pair for my project if you dont mind me asking.

[turbotoaster]

they are 60mm wider, you can either have them in carbon or GRP like mine

atomicrex 0870 903 6666 just say Lee sent you