Upsetting

[gsb876]

But the law doesnt come down hard on anyone it would seem! And to be frank, i wouldnt want to see tax payers monies going towards the upkeep of said minorities in prison!

I think the big issue for me is, if you cant respect this countries traditions, you simply shouldnt be here!

Perhaps these muslim extremists would have preferred Hitler to have won, with his outrageous attitude towards religions it wouldnt surprise me if Muslim would have been next on his list! Trouble is those thick tw*ts dont even realise that!

The laws regarding incitement must be reviewed and changed, currently it seems the gov are simply reluctant to cause any outrage by doing so. Without these changes you will continue to see what we saw with the poppy burning and the abuse of returning soldiers from abroad.

Also the communities involved with those "individuals" need to show them that their opinion is not that of the whole community, and until they do there will be no drastic change sadly.

[jetpilot]

The laws regarding incitement must be reviewed and changed, currently it seems the gov are simply reluctant to cause any outrage by doing so. Without these changes you will continue to see what we saw with the poppy burning and the abuse of returning soldiers from abroad.

Also the communities involved with those "individuals" need to show them that their opinion is not that of the whole community, and until they do there will be no drastic change sadly.

Wise words. Still i would rather not see my taxes spent taking them to trial (probably get legal aid), followed by a stay at her majesties prison again at our expense!

[gsb876]

Wise words. Still i would rather not see my taxes spent taking them to trial (probably get legal aid), followed by a stay at her majesties prison again at our expense!

The issue being if those "individuals" are UK nationals then how do you deport?

Cases for deportation again will cost tax payers

[jetpilot]

I have a very simplistic view on this buddy, although i know its not as clear cut!

I dont care if they are British Nationals, i am sure some of them are! But you shouldnt be allowed to benefit from all this country has to offer yet protest against its heritage and beliefs and history!

I dont think what they did is any worse than treason to be fair and why should deportation be a problem, they obviously have no regard or respect for this country so why should we for them, british national or not!

This is the point of the thread, show no respect and we give no respect! There is no political correctness from them so why should we be?

[gsb876]

I have a very simplistic view on this buddy, although i know its not as clear cut!

I dont care if they are British Nationals, i am sure some of them are! But you shouldnt be allowed to benefit from all this country has to offer yet protest against its heritage and beliefs and history!

I dont think what they did is any worse than treason to be fair and why should deportation be a problem, they obviously have no regard or respect for this country so chuck em out!

I agree, alas the brilliant "Human rights" manifest will not allow for that action :2Confused we need to opt out of the Euro agreements and arrange our own laws and laws on human rights

[jetpilot]

To bring this back from the past, as i am sure some will have read and heard. One of the offenders today got a massive £50 fine for his burning of the poppy!

Justice, in this country, yeah right!!!!

[Brett]

Didn\'t one get a custodial sentence?

[DR SCHNITZEL]

I dont condone what some muslims are doing at all with regard to the poppy burnings and the banners all but they are doing it for a reason.
 
Our troops sent in by our former prime minister are in their motherlands and have killed tens of thousands maybe more innocent civilians (their people.) over the recent years.
 
There is bound to be some kind of retort. Do us thoroughbread white proud british citizens expect all (or any) 1st, 2nd and 3rd Gen (pun) british muslims to just sit back and watch as UK/US troops illegally smash through land they were brought up in, killing many thousands of innocent civilians as they go in areas they grew up and where large parts of their families/friends still reside.
 
symbolic acts like this are not what we should be worrying about. what we should be doing is making efforts to stop the radicalising of young british muslims. they do have quite a bit to be annoyed about.
 
It doesnt matter where they are from or belong we are killing their people. They are protesting. If i lived in beijing
 
They are not doing it because they are bored or evil. their people are being killed on daily basis they have a small voice and are not represented in the media. they do have quite a bit to be annoyed about.
 
Our troops are killing thier people in a (not that it matters( illegal)) war and the poppy symbolises Our troops........ who..... are killing their people. thats why they are doing it. regardless of where they are from or "belong".
 
My EDL "friends" do not have the same opinion as me.

[DR SCHNITZEL]

One wierd thought i just had is  "if we dont like living in a democracy where there is freedom of speech then maybe we should emigrate somewhere where opinion and/or beliefs are forced on us"
 
think about that one. I hope 2 of my closest friends get through this next tour. They dont see the politics they just see it as a job. Im getting the blinkers on now to this topic. Its a mess and its going to take years and billions more $£ to sort out.

[DR SCHNITZEL]

Sorry i missed the end of my sentence. If i lived in beijing.....Id probably try a fried stick insect.

[Grant Monkhouse]

Not to cause offence but if our troops are over there illegally killing their people, then surely when they attacked the twin towers, pentagon in 9/11 etc they were illegally attacking and murdering american families? And also the attack in this country, admittedly by uk citizens but trained in afghanistan? Etc. Freedom of speech is a huge pain in the arse and honestly this country could do with a dictator like they have in china to sort all of this shiv out! If people couldn\'t get along then they either sort it out or they disappear. We wouldn\'t have immigration problems etc would we?

Our soldiers are over their following orders by the government so burning something that represents remembrance for our lost heroes is disgusting, if they want to make a statement then They should burn a government type symbols as it is the governments choice on what this country does. And even possibly burn an MP, most people dislike them? Haha

[jetpilot]

Dr Schnitzel, although i agree in some part your view or sympathy its inherintely flawed!

The poppy in its essence was formed long before the war in "their" countries, so these idiots are protesting against British soldiers that died before you or i was born. Soldiers that gave their lives to keep this country out of the hands of one of the men most responsible for religious genecide the modern world has perhaps seen, have you heard of Hitler??

They are happy to kick back and receive all the benefits this country has to offer, dole cheques, being able to sleep safe and sound, warm paid for houses, health care, education, true freedom of speech.....the list just goes on and on!

But they are happy to protest at how we keep this country safe now and in the past?

I ask you one question, if me or you walked into a muslim filled country/town and burnt say a Koran at one of their important events, do you think a £50 fine is all we would receive??

[Grant Monkhouse]

I know it is to commerate the men lost in ww1 and 2 but it\'s also a symbol now for the men and women lost recently.

I agree with the things you are saying totally but if I were to out my full opinion on here about these current things the site would require a new server to host my response!

As for your last point, I\'m sure we would first receive a stoning then 50,000 lashes, (very painful) various body parts cur off etc. Starting with our most prized parts.

[DR SCHNITZEL]

To a muslim a poppy= uk troops...it is the symbol which they had destroyed in anger. It cares not to them that grandad killed a few germans back in the day. I assume their emotion lies with more current events.
 
I know all about WW2 im sure the muslims do not appreciate the depth of emotion it has with british, similar to how we cant fully appreciate any depiction/sketch of the prophet moham\'ed (i still dont get that one) but it exists.
 
Of course we wouldnt get a 50 quid fine, we would have a much heavier (death etc) penalty. Our society is different. for better or worse its the society we live in. its a society some muslims moved away from. freedom of speech, I think the 50 pound was more a strategic (diffusion) move to stop protest escalating. I feel one of these EDL marches will/could turn very nasty one day and some kind of extradition or custodial sentence may escalate the situation and make others perpetrators martyrs come out the woodwork (which some will find a desirable status). although it is such an unfeasibly small fine, a Uk citizen would probably get an affray charge. It in a way could help. we dont want civil war / riots on the streets. again very difficult decisions here we need to be very careful.
 
Its the likes of hook man and that other ...... who wants a Shirah state in the uk that should be deported. people who stir racial hatred.
 
Yeah british citizens of muslim country descent, do get the benefits we do. however im not sure on the statistics.. but have you ever seen a smack head, alcoholic, dead beat, doley, single parent family etc, muslim family? I have never seen one in the north west although im sure there are some. mostly they are small business owners and they work \'ard.?? i dont know i have seen no pie charts.
 
at the end of the day there is some very angry people of muslim descent, young undereducated, irrational and emotional on both sides.. .... will and is happening. How its dealt with needs extreme care.
 
Think about this. The symbolic gesture of the poppy burning may stir a larger intrest than a terrorist attack in the UK where people die. Like the Mo\' sketch created a "HUGE" stir

[DR SCHNITZEL]

Grant regarding the Twin Towers which was an illegal attack on a country ( we dont live in.) the fatalities of 3000 represent a tiny fraction of how many civilians we have taken out over the past 8 or so years in iraq afghan. there was a very interesting documnetary on the BBC which reported just that. It also highlighted how we play this down in the media. our 10,000 soldiers dead are much more important than the 20,000 to 100,000 (i cant remember the figs) civilians laid slain in far away lands.
 
At the end of the day "who started it???"
 
it gets that childish
 
The only result is huge amounts of bloodshed on both sides with no real solution in sight in our lifetime.
 
god/allah help us all