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Started by chr1s, February 25, 2010, 01:03:31 PM

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12at

To4e will be lagger than the gt35r unless you run a 0.96 rear AR..

GT35rs arent expensive at all to rebuild - i would say they are on par with a bush bearing turbo rebuild.. Its just the rip off  vendors of the UK that think they are alot more expensive when they arent!

Rebuilt my GT35r with new bearings, seal kit and rear wheel for $400.

Turblown

To4Es spool extremely fast, I usually see boost at 1400rpms and full by 2500. I have attached a photo of one of our systems
T4 Gt35Rs response very nicely too with a fair bit more top end; I have also attached a recent dyno sheet.

arrouk

To4e will be lagger than the gt35r unless you run a 0.96 rear AR..
Are you tripping??? how can a T04e be leggier than a gt35r? The GT35 is a far bigger turbo and BB do not make that much difference
GT35rs aren\'t expensive at all to rebuild - i would say they are on par with a bush bearing turbo rebuild.. Its just the rip off  vendors of the UK that think they are alot more expensive when they aren\'t!
funny even in America it is expensive (over $1000 just for the CHRA) and as i understand it the bearings are not a user replaceable part.
Rebuilt my GT35r with new bearings, seal kit and rear wheel for $400.and it was built and balanced by who? The only thing I have seen is that Garrett are replacing the CHRA and wheels as long as the CHRA and 1 wheel is still serviceable.

I\'m not trying to cause trouble but if you are going to give people advice you should make sure your facts are correct.

To get this thread back on track, Chr1s are you planing on doing the conversion yourself or taking it to a shop? If its going to be done by a shop you should have a chat with them as I\'m sure they will have more experience than myself. Also have you considered the other costs such as ECU and possibly an uprated IC or WI?

HTH
Matt

mx1311

Quote from: arrouk;676427I\'m not trying to cause trouble but if you are going to give people advice you should make sure your facts are correct.


:god well said matt

you beat me to it

imho go for the t04e, good little single and drives very similar to twins

t04r or tdo6 will be the next step up

12at

Quote from: arrouk;676427To4e will be lagger than the gt35r unless you run a 0.96 rear AR..
Are you tripping??? how can a T04e be leggier than a gt35r? The GT35 is a far bigger turbo and BB do not make that much difference
GT35rs aren\'t expensive at all to rebuild - i would say they are on par with a bush bearing turbo rebuild.. Its just the rip off  vendors of the UK that think they are alot more expensive when they aren\'t!
funny even in America it is expensive (over $1000 just for the CHRA) and as i understand it the bearings are not a user replaceable part.
Rebuilt my GT35r with new bearings, seal kit and rear wheel for $400.and it was built and balanced by who? The only thing I have seen is that Garrett are replacing the CHRA and wheels as long as the CHRA and 1 wheel is still serviceable.

I\'m not trying to cause trouble but if you are going to give people advice you should make sure your facts are correct.

To get this thread back on track, Chr1s are you planing on doing the conversion yourself or taking it to a shop? If its going to be done by a shop you should have a chat with them as I\'m sure they will have more experience than myself. Also have you considered the other costs such as ECU and possibly an uprated IC or WI?

HTH
Matt

Well back in australia were rotaries are built propoerly!!

Most to4e\'s are either 1.15 or 1.32 AR.. If you ran a 1.32 rear on a stock up opened engine yes it would be lagger than a 1.06 T3 foot print Gt35r..

I dont give a .... what you say as ive had both on a car and the 35r was on song alot earlier than the to4e.GT35r comp wheel if i remember is 60mm vs standard to4e of 57mm which is minimal.

My turbo was rebuilt bu Honeywell Garrett in sydney for your information and sorry for posting as im no longer a groupy so i know nothing :)

Turblown

I haven\'t seen a need to go past 1.15 turbine a/r on a To4E. EMBP is really low even at 20+psi where they start to run out of air( with or w/o pre compressor injection)

chr1s

Quote from: arrouk;676427To get this thread back on track, Chr1s are you planing on doing the conversion yourself or taking it to a shop? If its going to be done by a shop you should have a chat with them as I\'m sure they will have more experience than myself. Also have you considered the other costs such as ECU and possibly an uprated IC or WI?

HTH
Matt

Hi Matt, will probably get someone else to do it tbh, I know my way round the engine bay but don\'t know much about turbos as you probably guessed by the thread! I agree next step is to have a chat with them about it, the T04e does sound tempting. I already have a PFC, uprated clutch and SMIC so hopefully wont need too much else.

Chris

Turblown

Depends on your intended power levels are. You will want a bigger fuel pump regardless. I would recommend bigger secondary injectors too. Which SMIC do you have? They don\'t work too well, but adding water injection can take care of that as long as you\'re under 15psi.

chr1s

Turblown, not looking for big power just reliability and simplicity, don\'t know what make the SMIC is just that it all aluminium, different to the standard one but more or less the same size. Will go over what needs replacing with whoever I get to fit it.

Kash_

On my old setup I had a T04e running 1 bar with the standard 550cc Primaries and 800cc Secondaries, an uprated fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator and it was fine. I dynoed at 335rwhp @ 0.9bar

Turblown

Quote from: chr1s;676773Turblown, not looking for big power just reliability and simplicity, don\'t know what make the SMIC is just that it all aluminium, different to the standard one but more or less the same size. Will go over what needs replacing with whoever I get to fit it.

I have run that setup before and never liked what I saw for intake temps, even with 50/50 water alcohol injection. Then again I am not familiar with your climate temps, if its never above 70 deg F ambient it will probably be fine. Lower the air temps the more reliable the car will be.

waqas_RX7

My car is running a GT35R turbo with a custom ceramic coated down pipe, manifold and polished compressor housing and have a tial 44mm wastegate re-routed to downpipe. Car is making 356 HP at 0.8 bar of boost. Very happy with it.

SiH

35r should be capable of a fair bit mroe than that dude - what fuel system are you running? I\'m in the process of putting one on and I\'m hoping for comfortably over 400.

waqas_RX7

Quote from: SiH;67824535r should be capable of a fair bit mroe than that dude - what fuel system are you running? I\'m in the process of putting one on and I\'m hoping for comfortably over 400.

I know it is capable of more, but the previous owner just wanted a very very safe set up. I am running a HKS fuel pump. :yes

DR SCHNITZEL

I have a to4r with a .81 or .84 hotside and it spools more than well enough for me