What pads would you reccomed?

[BlitzBoy]

+1 for the Ferado 2500 I use them with my Black Diamond grooved discs awesome for the road, and as they say the dust wipes off from these pads

[clive]

Whist this thread has some things brought up some interesting views it does seem to have wandered off course just a little from the questions asked on  the initial post,

First of all, Michael, it would be an idea to ask your brake supplier, in this case Speedline what they recommend to be used against their Disc\'s as they should be aware of what will be suitable.

As you stated that you want no dust and are not using the car on track ask them if they have used Hawk ceramic pads as these are designed with you\'re requirements in mind

Much has been written about pads Ferodo DS2500 and yes it\'s a good pad dependent on usage , however be warned I personally found that these  pads DO need a little bit of heat generated into them to stop, so if your Miss Daisying then a stock pad will be a better bet as they need no heat to make them work, espesialy noticeable when you pull off your drive on a cold morning and expect the car to stop on a sixpence at the lights 100 yards down the road!

EBC, ahhh there\'s a name to conjure with, some will swear by them and most with machinery that\'s any good will swear at em!

Problem with EBC would seem to be that whist they sussed out bikes with cars their pads have no maintained manufacturing consistency, apparently the reason is that they shop around to different suppliers for the next batch to be made with the outcome being that out of the same box you can have one set of pads that are like cardboard and the next like concrete,

EBC do very well in the marketing department and are probably the bee\'s knee\'s if you drive a Saxo or Corsa and know no different !! (sniff)


As Stacy touched upon, It should not be assumed that all Disc\'s are created equally and that all pads will work correctly on what ever Disc\'s you have, indeed when the RX-8 came out I conducted tests and found that the stock Mazda disc\'s actually shred very easily depending on the pad material used,

All of this brings me around nicely to the original recommendation of talking to the people who supplied the Disc\'s.  


Oh yes, lastly if you upgrade the pads please upgrade the front and the rear together with your suppliers choice , because if you don\'t you will end up with more efficiency on one end of the car which will completely screw up the brake balance leaving your ABS system not knowing what in the hell is going on and effectively have a car that is worse than if you had left it completely stock.

Hope this helps

[SiH]

~The problem with asking people that originally supply the discs is that they will more than likely recommend something that they also sell

Intersting about the 2500\'s clive - when did you buy the set you have experienced the cold bite issue with?
I had a problem with the cold bite on the last set of 2500\'s I  had about 3 years ago, BUT, the set i bought about 6 months ago are SO much better, and have pretty damned good cold bite. I have no qualms at all about using them on the road. I have heard reports of the compound changing some while ago, and the anecdotal evidence i have seems to suggest this is true. They really are VERY good on the road.

[michaelb]

Whist this thread has some things brought up some interesting views it does seem to have wandered off course just a little from the questions asked on  the initial post,

First of all, Michael, it would be an idea to ask your brake supplier, in this case Speedline what they recommend to be used against their Disc\'s as they should be aware of what will be suitable.

As you stated that you want no dust and are not using the car on track ask them if they have used Hawk ceramic pads as these are designed with you\'re requirements in mind

Much has been written about pads Ferodo DS2500 and yes it\'s a good pad dependent on usage , however be warned I personally found that these  pads DO need a little bit of heat generated into them to stop, so if your Miss Daisying then a stock pad will be a better bet as they need no heat to make them work, espesialy noticeable when you pull off your drive on a cold morning and expect the car to stop on a sixpence at the lights 100 yards down the road!

EBC, ahhh there\'s a name to conjure with, some will swear by them and most with machinery that\'s any good will swear at em!

Problem with EBC would seem to be that whist they sussed out bikes with cars their pads have no maintained manufacturing consistency, apparently the reason is that they shop around to different suppliers for the next batch to be made with the outcome being that out of the same box you can have one set of pads that are like cardboard and the next like concrete,

EBC do very well in the marketing department and are probably the bee\'s knee\'s if you drive a Saxo or Corsa and know no different !! (sniff)


As Stacy touched upon, It should not be assumed that all Disc\'s are created equally and that all pads will work correctly on what ever Disc\'s you have, indeed when the RX-8 came out I conducted tests and found that the stock Mazda disc\'s actually shred very easily depending on the pad material used,

All of this brings me around nicely to the original recommendation of talking to the people who supplied the Disc\'s.  


Oh yes, lastly if you upgrade the pads please upgrade the front and the rear together with your suppliers choice , because if you don\'t you will end up with more efficiency on one end of the car which will completely screw up the brake balance leaving your ABS system not knowing what in the hell is going on and effectively have a car that is worse than if you had left it completely stock.

Hope this helps

Clive

Many thanks for the very informative response and you are 100% right I am after fast road driving pads not track pads as the car will not go on the track, maybe some drag racing in the future but then I will not need track pads â€" I HOPE I stop in time before the end of the drag strip LOL

Regards,
Michaelb

[overboost]

~The problem with asking people that originally supply the discs is that they will more than likely recommend something that they also sell
 
Intersting about the 2500\'s clive - when did you buy the set you have experienced the cold bite issue with?
I had a problem with the cold bite on the last set of 2500\'s I had about 3 years ago, BUT, the set i bought about 6 months ago are SO much better, and have pretty damned good cold bite. I have no qualms at all about using them on the road. I have heard reports of the compound changing some while ago, and the anecdotal evidence i have seems to suggest this is true. They really are VERY good on the road.

I bought a set of APs for my E46 M3 1 year ago, 6 pot front and 4 pot back comes with 2500. No cold bite issue whatsoever.
 
Of course 2500 that comes with AP are much bigger pads than normal RX-7 ones, but then again RX-7 is a much lighter car than a M3.

[NurburgRob]

I\'ve moved from Hawk pads (which scored my standard discs and created heeps of dust) to the DS2500s which apparently don\'t suffer from poor cold performance anymore? and they produce less dust but the same performance as the hawks.

In addition, when the hawks got hot they squeeled like pigs in a fire, not good, the DS2500s hardly make a sound.

Just my 2 cents! and I wouldn\'t go near EBC from the stories I\'ve heard.

[Nik da Greek]

I have a confession to make....*ahem* I\'ve got EBC Redstuff all round (sorry Clive!). They\'re fine, work great on the road, never had a problem. EBC have a funny rep, and like Clive says, they do suffer consistency probs from farming out to whichever Chinese factory has free labour at the time, but I came from bikes to cars, and their sintered HH bike pads are excellent for bikes, and I\'ve just sorta kept with them all along. No problems at all on either of my FDs, and the only niggle is they make a fair bit of dust.

Not trying to be confrontational really, but I\'d be curious to know if any of you guys cussing them have ever actually used them or if you\'re just going on "the word on the street"?

[AtomicRex]

I have tried the EBC pads and they are truly awful.  I do try and not be too confrontational anymore about companies.....but they are really designed for the saxo market.  They fade exceptionally quickly, they disintegrate, or in actual fact they fall off the backing plate!  No one uses them....and that is for a reason!
 
 
To answer the question as to why you brake hard and for a short period of time as opposed to long and soft...well in the first instance because from purely an observational stand-point this is the recommended practice for obtaining the best performance without running the risk of boiling the brakes.
 
I have also taken it upon myself to do some in-depth analysis as to the scientific proofs behind this.  And currently I am balls deep in both the laws of thermodynamics and Newtons laws of Heat transference.  If anyone has an ideas on the critical heat flux it would be very helpful.  Layman\'s terms only!!

[Nik da Greek]

Blimey, they\'ve certainly got you pretty riled, Jon:rollin. I have to say, that they really aren\'t anyhing like that in my experience, and I\'ve had them on the car for three years now, dunno how many sets. They don\'t fade, and who the hell cares about brake fade on the road anyway, which is what MichaelB wanted them for in his OP. I\'ve never had a set disintergrate, nor come adrift from the backplate :3Confused They work well enough to provoke the ABS in the dry, which is by implication, working as well as brakes can work on the road

There may well be better pads around, and I can\'t lay claim to having tried them all personally. I also am not on a crusade to sing praises of EBC cos I honestly don\'t give a fduk whether anyone else buys them or not, but I think such hyperbole about how wretched they are is possibly slightly unnessecary, especially in the context of the question phrased in the opening post

[SiH]

I actually had a set of redstuff pads disintegrate on me at a track day - they literally fell off the backing plate!
This was on an S14a, on a very short course!

[Nik da Greek]

Maybe I\'ve just been lucky then :3Confused

[AtomicRex]

I think we are maybe being a little harsh on the old EBC pads...but I guess it is like the reason professional IT geeks wouldn\'t use PC World to purchase computer equipment.  There are better pads to be had out there.  And I know it\'s been said that people only tend to push what they sell....there is a reason I only stock and sell the DS range...because they work and I have never been let down by them.  They work well on the road, and well on the track.
 
As mentioned I am using their new compound the DS2.11 series for racing.  But I will still use the DS2500 in a wet race.  Likewise when running the cars in on the road...I will use the DS2500\'s as although they may not be as effective from cold as an OE pad, I doubt you will notice the difference!  And once you\'ve got the temps up a little...they will out perform any pad on the market.
 
But once again its my opinion....but I\'m seeing a good range of people giving them the thumbs up

[Nik da Greek]

I think there\'s a lot of Black Magic associated with brakes, whether perceived, imagined or real. It\'s easy to believe horror stories just as much as it is hype. It\'s also really easy just to stumble accross a pad that works, and blindly stay with it because you\'ve experienced truly shocking ones elsewhere and don\'t want to make the same mistake again. On my first Rex I had Black Diamond pads and discs all round, and the discs were great. The pads were absolute shlte however, and I didn\'t realise how awful until I put some *ahem* Redstuff pads on cos I got some cheap. However, if I were to replace the current EBCs with Ferrodo or whoever, maybe I\'d find out how much worse they\'ve been all along, too :Giggle

The trouble is, with pads costing upwards of 100 quid, it\'s not something you want to just take a punt on and hope, which I guess is another reason we stick to what we know. That\'s the beauty of threads like this, I guess, if thirty people say "buy Hawk" or "buy Ferrodo" and only one says "buy EBC" then you\'re gonna buy Hawk or Ferrodo. I just don\'t think it\'s right for loads of people to rubbish a product when they\'ve never used it...both Jon and SiH clearly have, and have had dodgy experiences, so that\'s all fine, but it\'s sometimes too easy to relate stories like "my wife\'s cousin\'s dog\'s grandmother had a mate with a 600 brake Haaaahnda Civic, and she told Mavis that EBC pads are really shlte, so I\'d never use them..."

[AtomicRex]

but it\'s sometimes too easy to relate stories like "my wife\'s cousin\'s dog\'s grandmother had a mate with a 600 brake Haaaahnda Civic, and she told Mavis that EBC pads are really shlte, so I\'d never use them..."

That\'s because the VTEC kicked in!!!

[Nik da Greek]

Hahahaha!

YO! :Giggle