Poll on RX-8 engine replacment

[nicktyler]

That is a good point but aren\'t they like £6k from Mazda? rotaryart has 4port and 6port brand new engines but not sure about any warranty and they run £3-4k just for the block.

Seems that going new might be a lot more expensive than a rebuild and I\'m sure I found on Google a place in Essex which will complete a refurbished engine replacement with 1 year 10k warranty for like £2500. However I cant find that now so I may have dreamt it!:Hammer

[clive]

Seems that going new might be a lot more expensive than a rebuild and I\'m sure I found on Google a place in Essex which will complete a refurbished engine replacement with 1 year 10k warranty for like £2500. However I cant find that now so I may have dreamt it!:Hammer

You didn\'t dream it,

The company is just tearing low compression engines down replacing only Apex seals (tips) and putting them back together.

BTW a brand new 230 engine from Mazda is £2889.20, not a rebuild/ recon, a brand new engine.

[nicktyler]

In the light of Clive\'s superior knowledge it seems that that the new/rebuild is quite a tricky decision as they seem to be similarly priced.

I was thinking rebuild before but am now leaning towards buying a new engine from Mazda and getting a specialist to fit it or does that screw any chances of warranty?

Anyway I might need this soon as I am seriously considering putting a turbo on my 50k engine:eek:

Maybe I\'ll just buy a new engine now and keep it in the shed untill I need it. A couple of weeks after the turbo is fitted!

[Will66]

When mine blew I got a new one from Mazda under extended warranty.  Mine had done 71k on an 04 plate.  I paid labour for fitting but I got a new motor for under £1000!  Seems like a decent deal to me.  And mine\'s fairly well modded too!

[tim farrar]

Sorry to hear this, is it common? (I could put up an average percentage but some don\'t like hearing it).
 
Have you had your car serviced at any Mazda Dealer?, if so you could approach the dealer to represent you in discussions with Mazda UK.
 
Or approach a dealer anyway, they may be able to suggest a suitable outcome, either way it is going to cost you, you may have to pay a percentage, say 50%, the rest Mazda may pay as "Good Will".
 
Unfortunately Australia (where I live) and the rest of the world does not have the 8 year warranty like North America/Canada has.
 
Failing that you have to find a Rotary Expert Garage who can do rebuilds.
 
I am sure someone here can assist you...good luck.

Have the full service history, with a Mazda main dealer, my car ran like new too, then one day 60k on the clock, engine warning light comes on. I immeadiatley drive the car to an authorised dealer (10 miles - engine light on (not flashing)with slight loss off power). They put it in on the diagnostic - report said EPS problem, check coil pack, HT lead or spark plug. Advised that car would be okay for me to driver to my regular garage (approx 20 miles). Needless to say it didnt make it. The car just lost power after about 5 miles (and I really was treating it gently). I had it towed to the garage, to be informed loss of engine compression plus cat burnt as well. All this in the space of 15 miles. The cost to repair is £5,300 - pretty .... dont you think, even the diagnostics didnt help and probably contributed to the cat needing replacing. So just how many more out there with similar problems!

[steve garbutt]

Have the full service history, with a Mazda main dealer, my car ran like new too, then one day 60k on the clock, engine warning light comes on. I immeadiatley drive the car to an authorised dealer (10 miles - engine light on (not flashing)with slight loss off power). They put it in on the diagnostic - report said EPS problem, check coil pack, HT lead or spark plug. Advised that car would be okay for me to driver to my regular garage (approx 20 miles). Needless to say it didnt make it. The car just lost power after about 5 miles (and I really was treating it gently). I had it towed to the garage, to be informed loss of engine compression plus cat burnt as well. All this in the space of 15 miles. The cost to repair is £5,300 - pretty .... dont you think, even the diagnostics didnt help and probably contributed to the cat needing replacing. So just how many more out there with similar problems!

Just confirms what iv been saying all along.
I did post this up a while ago about 3 RX8\'s that i have got in have had coil packs fail, then dealers or the handbook has told them its ok to drive home or to a garage and they haven\'t made it, all within 20miles and all ended up needing engines.
2 of them had no symptoms apart from the engine light and one had loss of power, all the engines failed on the way home/garage .
Makes you think that my previous claim "Failed coil packs can make your engine fail" maybe has some weight.

Maybe all the unburnt fuel is washing the engines and then they wear to the point of failure within 20miles ?

Ah well i have another one in atm with the same engine warning light on and missfireing , changed the coil packs the car now runs fine.

[RX-8888]

Have the full service history, with a Mazda main dealer, my car ran like new too, then one day 60k on the clock, engine warning light comes on. I immeadiatley drive the car to an authorised dealer (10 miles - engine light on (not flashing)with slight loss off power). They put it in on the diagnostic - report said EPS problem, check coil pack, HT lead or spark plug. Advised that car would be okay for me to driver to my regular garage (approx 20 miles). Needless to say it didnt make it. The car just lost power after about 5 miles (and I really was treating it gently). I had it towed to the garage, to be informed loss of engine compression plus cat burnt as well. All this in the space of 15 miles. The cost to repair is £5,300 - pretty .... dont you think, even the diagnostics didnt help and probably contributed to the cat needing replacing. So just how many more out there with similar problems!

Seeing you are talking to me and I did Comprehend your original post correctly, you seemed to have got the bad end of a run around..

Have you approached Mazda at all?

Did they perform an actual compression or vacuum test?
If they did and comp. are low a rebuild is all you can do.
As Clive once said many of these so called engine failures were either coils, leads, spark plugs or battery or all of it.
The actual engine replacement/rebuilds due to lost compressions is quite high.

[RX-8888]

Just confirms what iv been saying all along.
I did post this up a while ago about 3 RX8\'s that i have got in have had coil packs fail, then dealers or the handbook has told them its ok to drive home or to a garage and they haven\'t made it, all within 20miles and all ended up needing engines.
2 of them had no symptoms apart from the engine light and one had loss of power, all the engines failed on the way home/garage .
Makes you think that my previous claim "Failed coil packs can make your engine fail" maybe has some weight.

Maybe all the unburnt fuel is washing the engines and then they wear to the point of failure within 20miles ?

Ah well i have another one in atm with the same engine warning light on and missfireing , changed the coil packs the car now runs fine.

If a Mazda dealer does a proper compression (@ 250 RPM) or Vaccum Test outlined by Mazda Japan and it fails then the engine is stuffed...it has nothing to do with coils or leads...though I know what you mean and I agree with you..:rolleyes:

[Freeman38]

I really struggling to understand eneryone\'s issue here. I bought the car because it was different. The engine is unusual which makes it "exotic". As an engineer the engine has very few components, and is relative simple to rebuild, and cheap in comparison. A normal similiar horsepower / performance engine would use exactley the same oil / fuel. My Skyline / Supra / Mercedes / Boxster would cost far more to rebuild, and twice as much to insure and service. If you can\'t afford it then go back to the hot hatch and live with the compromise. I lost £10K in value in 2years on my last car, and a Bill between £1000 and £1500 to service for each year. Plus a much higher insurance. An RX8 engine is £3K new, and about £1500 to rebuild. You lot are getting this engine a bad name for no reason! I really don\'t understand the issue here.

[nicktyler]

^^^^^^ What he said!!!!:Thumbsup!

[AMH]

Completely agree with you Freeman - and welcome to MRC! :wave

There\'s a meet comming up near you if you want to meet some fellow rotorheads: http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?p=629424#post629424

[Freeman38]

Thanks for the heads up on the meet, and the welcome.
Hopefully I will be there on Saturday.
 
Leigh.

[clive]

You lot are getting this engine a bad name for no reason! I really don\'t understand the issue here.

Hello Leigh and welcome to MRC

I\'m very pleased to say that you have waffted in like a breath of fresh air with your comments above, thankyou

[gsb876]

£5300 for a rebuild ?

Damn thats very high unless you can do it yourself, or was that a quote from Mazda ??

My nephew has just bought a RX8 2003 with 60k on the clock so will have a look at it when i get round to it :o

[Will66]

£5300 for a rebuild?  You can get a new engine fitted by Mazda for less than £5k!