13b turbo transverse in 306 Pug

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Andy_k

#30
January 02, 2008, 03:04:55 PM
Good luck with the conversion, thought i remembered your name from the 205gtidrivers forum.
Mazda Rx-7 R1 Import

crf450

#31
January 02, 2008, 05:17:04 PM
Quote from: iaintLove your "can do, will do" attitude crf450!
 
Can\'t help with thechnical details of maiting engine to gearbox but whatever you do make sure you factor in enough space for a big rad and intercooler.
 
For track work most people run v-mounted setups - they tend to work slightly better than front-mounted intercoolers (it\'s difficult getting enough throu-flow on the FMIC to the rad).
 
Other than that ensure the map is erring on the safe side and you\'ll have plenty of track miles out of it. It\'s usually the ancillaries that go and take out FD engines - 15 year old fuel pumps and the like so treat them well and you\'ll be fine.
 
Good luck with the project and keep us updated!

The thing that appealed to me about the Mazda engine was its reliability. The engine had done work running over 400bhp before it was imported to this country so were not that sure how much work in total it\'s done. Whatever it had done my mate did track day after track day and all he did was change the oil. The thing I liked about my 306 was the fact I could get in it do 45mins on track at race pace and never have to lift the bonnet before I went out again,well this is how Craig\'s RX7 that my engine came from seemed to run.
I am planning on freshening the engine up before it goes back in and cooling is a concern. I did get everything with the engine so it will be a case of seeing what I can make fit,on first glance the intercooler and rad look as though they\'ll need work to fit. I\'m just going out to my garage so I\'ll take some pics of my parts and post them here and hopefully some of you lot can tell me what I\'ve got.

crf450

#32
January 02, 2008, 07:02:18 PM
As I understand it this is a piggy back set-up, thought I\'d be better running a stand alown set as it\'s running in a pug.
Anyone know (thats not interested in buying it) what this lots worth?

Had thought about using just the presure plate and making my own flywheel as the Mazda one is to big to fit in the g/gox so now I reckon I\'ll make a flywheel as standard pug but obviously to bolt onto the mazda crank.This will also be for sale

Mock up of about how it will sit.

More stuff
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Anyone know what make this is.


Inlet and Intercooler

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RobbieRX-7

#33
January 02, 2008, 07:34:05 PM Last Edit: January 02, 2008, 07:36:11 PM by RobbieRX-7
The apexi ecu is needed if you want to run the single turbo. You also have a boost controller, so you can turn the boost up or down from inside the car. I would definitly be interested in the clutch if you decide to sell it.

shaunwil

#34
January 02, 2008, 07:37:23 PM
The apexi isn\'t a piggy back unit at all. You unplug the original ECU and plug the apexi in. No patch looms or rewiring required on the original car.

Theres an awful lot of stuff to put in a very small spot. I\'d also be worried about the exhaust boiling the water in the rad.

Definately a very interesting conversion. The only other thoughts I\'d have is to install it N/A first and see how it holds up. At least you wouldn\'t have to worry about the intercooler, turbo exhaust system and alot of the related piping. Then install the Turbo side once your happy with the N/A setup.

Shaun
1994 White FD with A-spec GT3574R - 358bhp at the hubs at 0.9bar :3gears-lh
2003 Mondeo 2lt 130ps Diesel Estate Daily :driving

RobbieRX-7

#35
January 02, 2008, 07:45:37 PM
just thought. Your gonna need the engine wiring loom. There are 2 parts to the loom.  Luckily these 2 are seperate to the rest of the cars loom.

crf450

#36
January 02, 2008, 08:08:27 PM
Quote from: shaunwilThe apexi isn\'t a piggy back unit at all. You unplug the original ECU and plug the apexi in. No patch looms or rewiring required on the original car.
 
Theres an awful lot of stuff to put in a very small spot. I\'d also be worried about the exhaust boiling the water in the rad.
 
Definately a very interesting conversion. The only other thoughts I\'d have is to install it N/A first and see how it holds up. At least you wouldn\'t have to worry about the intercooler, turbo exhaust system and alot of the related piping. Then install the Turbo side once your happy with the N/A setup.
 
Shaun
The shot of the engine and box is actually taken from the back. I was hopping to run the turbo/wastgate in at the back with just some minor mods to the zorst manifold but after another head scratching session tonight it looks like best place for the turbo is sat above the gearbox.
That may be good news about the ECU, I have actually got all the Mazda wiring but it looks a complete nightmare that\'s another reason I thought about using a more non-car specific ECU.
Thanks again for the input.

shaunwil

#37
January 02, 2008, 09:26:36 PM
No problem. Half of the popularity of the pfc is it is genuinley plug and play. Majority of the other ecus need alot of rewiring.

A friend had a special edition 306 gti-6 when i had my FTO. Was a nice car.

I\'d still consider the N/A option if the engine is ported. Hard to know where the exhaust system will end up sitting. Possibly you could have a long manifold and tuck the turbo round the side of the back of the engine bay.

Definately a big job for sure.

Shaun
1994 White FD with A-spec GT3574R - 358bhp at the hubs at 0.9bar :3gears-lh
2003 Mondeo 2lt 130ps Diesel Estate Daily :driving

andysmee

#38
January 03, 2008, 11:42:57 AM
Quote from: crf450The thing that appealed to me about the Mazda engine was its reliability. The engine had done work running over 400bhp before it was imported to this country so were not that sure how much work in total it\'s done. Whatever it had done my mate did track day after track day and all he did was change the oil. The thing I liked about my 306 was the fact I could get in it do 45mins on track at race pace and never have to lift the bonnet before I went out again,well this is how Craig\'s RX7 that my engine came from seemed to run.

Are you rebuilding Craig\'s engine then?

deanflowers

#39
January 03, 2008, 01:44:09 PM
This seems to be quite a mad conversion for 306, not too sure how successful it will be but best of luck. A friend of mine should have his 205running in the next 2 weeks with jap lump and a few toys if your after a bit of competition.

Bobfish

#40
January 04, 2008, 10:20:37 AM
awesome idea mate, lots more head scratching to go i\'m sure but once its sorted it\'ll certainly be one of the most unique cars out there!  I agree with the guys about testing out the N/a route first but of course itll make things more complicated if you decide to go turbo after.

Are you using that single turbo or can i have it? :)

maztra

#41
January 27, 2008, 06:41:38 PM
Here\'s my bodge
 

 
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Succes!
 
Greetz Bart Heemskerk

karl_tate

#42
January 27, 2008, 07:33:09 PM
does look like you will get a drive shaft in there when the exhaust is on or is it just the angle the picture is taken??
 
good project thought mate :D
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MikeLMR

#43
January 27, 2008, 08:45:01 PM
it fits (just) have a look at the rest of the (finished) piccies on the website.

Bart, thanks for posting this, remember reading all this with great interest on the rx7club.com ... a fantastic project and I love the engine mounts, any problem can be solved with enough steel and a welder :)

maztra

#44
January 27, 2008, 09:46:27 PM
Quote from: karl_tatedoes look like you will get a drive shaft in there when the exhaust is on or is it just the angle the picture is taken??

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