Comparison / General Questions

[Kevin]

That video wasnt at all biased towards the celica. Honest.

I\'d take those video\'s with a pinch of salt, also why do they always run early FD\'s on those against later revised other models, why not run 99-> FD\'s and see what happens? Anyway with a few mods thrown at the FD the celica wouldnt stand much of a chance.

..................plus look at them side by side for god sake.......... Catch my drift...

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[Spen]

Ha ha that last post made me laugh!

My mate at work has a GT4 ST205 and I have an FD. My FD is stock and so is his GT4 bar a straight through exhaust. 1st and 2nd gear is pretty much neck and neck, 3rd gear my FD pulls from it but not by much.

GT4- Cheaper to run, easier to drive in all weather conditions, more suitable to everyday use.

FD- Much nicer feel to it, more fun to drive, MUCH better looks, better presence.

[nick english]

That video wasnt at all biased towards the celica. Honest.

I\'d take those video\'s with a pinch of salt, also why do they always run early FD\'s on those against later revised other models, why not run 99-> FD\'s and see what happens? Anyway with a few mods thrown at the FD the celica wouldnt stand much of a chance.

..................plus look at them side by side for god sake.......... Catch my drift...

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my m8 has the same celica and i have a stock 99 fd and i have destroyed him both times in 1st,2nd and third then ran out of runway!!!!!:flamed

[RobbieRX-7]

I think on the 400 meter, they are pretty even. 3rd gear on an fd is a killer and thats why it started to reel the celica in. But thats on a straight road, where\'s the fun in that? I reckon on a track the fd would have it

[RobbieRX-7]

The things that bother me with the FD are the second turbo kicking in whilst on a wet road.
 
I\'ve heard ppl say about the low-down grunt of the twins, but also \'smooth power delivery\'?? hows that? do u still feel the G\'s? i want something to push me back in the chair really.
 
is it really that easy to come out of a roundabout backwards in the wet? or is it plain stupidity?
 
any other common, expensive problems??
 
what would I be looking at for BHP??? do you need an external wastegate if u go straight through or would a re-map do??
 
Thanks!

The fd is terrible in the wet. Especially going round islands or bends. Drive it like a pensioner

Even a stock fd will push you back in the seat

The main problem with an fd is the engine. failed water seals, broken apex seals and turbo system not boosting properley

If pip mapped it, expect about 300-330 at the flywheel with the mods you stated

[m4drx]

The fd is terrible in the wet. Drive it like a pensioner

Even a stock fd will push you back in the seat

The main problem with an fd is the engine. Water seals, broken apex seals and turbo system not boosting properley

If pip mapped it, expect about 300-330 at the flywheel

you need to check your mounts, bushings and then get your geometry done.

the fd is not at all bad in the wet, its one of two things; the driver or the cars age and neglect.

a set of coilovers dont do it either! :Tongue1

4wd masks bad drivers rwd shows good ones.

[BlitzBoy]

Make sure you get good tyres on the FD, on the dry the FD wins hands down on fast twisties.
Anyway whats a standard FD have not seen one in years??? lol :rollin

[leon]

My FD is a daily driver only ONCE have i had the back end step out. And it was my own fault, I put the hammer down too quick in the wet going in a stright line, like any car show it respect and if you do somthing like that learn from it. Never had trouble with roundabouts, just take them easy and keep off boost.:yes

As for the st205 they are esentialy the same engine as the mr2 turbo (3sgte) minus the  top mounted intercooler, I enjoyed driving those cars but they aint as fun as the rex.

Problem wise, if your mechanicaly inclined you can resolve any boost issues you have. sure they can be common on older cars but dont most old cars have their quirks.

[Kevin]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dV3ebuHRyUM&mode=related&search=

[FLAT4MATT]

Mine aint standard but it is my daily car, even with near enough 400 at the flywheel I\'ve never had any trouble keeping the back in check. Sure if you boot it when it\'s freezing cold and wet you\'ll have traction issues (you would in any car) but so long as you\'ve got decent tyres and all your suspension / bushes are in good order there\'s no reason you can\'t recover from it (unless you\'re being really silly or hit a patch of deisel / oil). Or you could just try not to go mad in bad weather. It\'s VERY good for a RWD car with no traction / stability control.

I really dont think it\'s a case of the RX7 being bad in the wet, it depends what you compare it to. It\'s obviously going to be more of a hand full than a deisel mondeo, but then again how easy to drive would a 400hp mondeo be? Boot it mid corner and you\'d go straight on! I\'ve lost a few bikes round the corners and even out dragged a few and mine\'s not THAT quick!. Pound for pound for two cars of the same power you\'d do well to find a more exciting ride than the FD. Also if you\'re looking at making more power over time it\'ll cost you a lot more to get the same performance gains out of most other cars.

If we\'re talking about a near stock RX7 in good order you shouldn\'t have a problem so long as you drive within YOUR limits and in consideration of the elements. Think that\'s probably the key

Go and test drive a decent one and you\'ll not have to ask any more questions

Have fun!

[Rixio]

Hasnt anybody noticed the fact that every time on that ealier clip is different...as in not consistant...

1st run - GT4 - 14.4s
2nd run - GT4 - 14.1s
3rd run - GT4 - 14.063s (RX7 14.120s)
4th run - GT4 - 13.969

How can these even be used to compare...the times are not consistent.

My best mate has a GT4 and he thinks its too slow
In any case imo the Celica looks sh!te compared to the FD.

[thetera]

The Celica would definitely make a far better daily driver though, especially if you weren\'t planning to do trackdays (what sort of freak doesn\'t wanna do those though ) given the 360 days of ****e weather we have a year a stage 1 GT4 would be far more usuable most of the time, unless you\'re a D1 champion
 
For those of us lucky enough to have a company car, the RX7 wins hands down every time

[FLAT4MATT]

Every day is a track day when it\'s your daily drive