Mazda USA revises "that" number

[garygfx]

Cor, now YOU are trying to put me off the car! I was doing a pretty good job all by myself! There isn\'t really any other car on the market that excites me or offers as many extras as the RX8. The Jag is too far away (if it goes into production) and the VX220 is too crampt inside, has no extras whatsoever, and er, it\'s got a Vauxhall badge! I\'m waiting for another test drive in the first week of October. I keep playing those Japanese videos of RX8 racing... I want it... oil... no, I want it... need to stock up on oil... no, sex on wheels, must buy it... :confused:

[Deathknell]

Originally posted by garygfx
There isn\'t really any other car on the market that excites me or offers as many extras as the RX8.  

And he reels him in. :evillaugh

I think you\'ve answered your own question:)

Whats there to be confused about? As I\'ve already sent you messages about checking oil - no manufacturer (that I know of)
will cover your car for engine damage due to lack of oil if you tell them "i\'ve never checked the oil level".

It\'s even part of the driving test now, I think you should just face up to the fact that you should have always been checking it:D

Luck (at never having destroyed an engine) and laxity (over basic car maintenance) on your part should not prevent you from getting the RX-8.

[Martiny]

"There isn\'t really any other car on the market that excites me or offers as many extras as the RX8"

Well, there you go! Thats what really makes us buy a car. If you are just after practicality and economy, Micra for you! Its the EMOTION that wins in the end. You mentioned the Fuel usage - Just look at all the 4x4s around that get 20mpg or even less. They bought them because they WANTED them. ( I dont understand why, but they do. They probably dont understand why I\'m on my 10th Rotary Engined car).

If I had the money, I would be getting one- RX-8, that is! Probably will get a used one in the future.

Now, if only they would build that rumoured RX-3!!!!!

[Martiny]

"There isn\'t really any other car on the market that excites me or offers as many extras as the RX8"

Well, there you go! Thats what really makes us buy a car. If you are just after practicality and economy, Micra for you! Its the EMOTION that wins in the end. You mentioned the Fuel usage - Just look at all the 4x4s around that get 20mpg or even less. They bought them because they WANTED them. ( I dont understand why, but they do. They probably dont understand why I\'m on my 10th Rotary Engined car).

If I had the money, I would be getting one- RX-8, that is! Probably will get a used one in the future.

Now, if only they would build that rumoured RX-3!!!!!

[clive]

Well done Martin , most excellent post full of the stuff  that makes a lot of us love the rotary cars we own and that also drove the Mazda Warriors  to perfect the Rotary in the  first place.

It\'s that little bit of stuff called \'PASSION\'




All the best Clive
clive@mazdarotaryclub.com
//www.mazdarotaryclub.com

[soarer2k]

I doubt about the 248HP before mazda announced the new lowered HP rating, Best Motoring Japan had conducted a test that include DC5(Integra Type R) S2000 and G35.. I forgot the rest, both S2000 and DC5 were faster in the track as well as straight, even the the Time attack. The comments from the drivers were like.. well. good handling but lack of power is the problem. That\'s because Mazda always overstates their HP, I have a MX-5, bought it because Mazda claimed the new VVT can make it 160HP..  I saw a test in Japan,before Mazda make it 142HP, which shows the updated miata is actually SLOWER, they changed the tire to 15 inch instead of 16 inch, to compensate the lossed time so in the second round, updated Miata is faster then old miata by around tenth of a second..not soo long after that One famouse magazine pointed out the same problem so Mazda adjusted their HP rating. I mean is that the best Mazda can do? I like the cars produced from Mazda, MX5, RX7, RX8, MazdaSpeed Protege... that\'s why I own MX5 and MP3.. but after the RX8 issue, I lost faith in Mazda Engine engineers, but still love their chassic department... I just hope they won\'t do it again....

[MikeLMR]

I think most of the problem is the marketing section of mazda (and lots of other companies)  in North America, I don\'t think any of the other regions have had a problem with overstated power figures. (Mazda UK downgraded the numbers at least twice)

[conehead]

I agree (up to a point) with Mike that it was the marketing people who cocked it all up.

All the literature I recieved up to June this year quoted 250hp. Mazda made very liberal use of these figures. OK, there were (very small print) disclaimers, but the instant Mazda knew they could only achieve 228hp (UK version), we should have been told.

I find it impossible to believe that Mazda technicians didn\'t know about this earlier. In fact, I think they did know but didn\'t tell until the last minute they could. No wonder they gave all the reviewers the Jap spec car. Imagine what the early reviews would have been like on the UK spec...somewhat different I think.

Before anyone jumps down my throat, this is not about the final power or the fuel economy figures, but about trust. If I had ONLY been told the final figures then this would have been a non-issue. I think they failed in their duty to provide accurate and timely information. So, how can you trust them not to do it again? Personally I can\'t.

Finally, what really irks me is how unprofessional it all is. The car market is so cut-throat these days that these sort of problems are really unforgivable for a manufacturer - particularly one who needs some cash (to put Ford in profit).

C.

[GaryS]

Not the first tiem they\'ve done it recently either.

When the MK2.5 MX-5 came out last year, the variable valve engine was quoted with a higher figure than reality, resulted in Mazda being sued over it in the US as well.  Not only that, but the extra power over the normal engine only came on at 7000 rpm, remembering teh rev limitter is at 7,500.