Mazda USA revises "that" number

[MikeLMR]

yep the US RX8 now officaly makes 238hp instead of the 247hp advertised. I think once people get over the fact that HP is just a number the RX8 will still be a hit.
Some people really need to sit down and think what really matters 0-60 the same top speed the same (cars tested were 238hp apparently) and a theoretical number that is achieved for a few seconds each time you take it to the red line drops a bit.

I can see why people are having a problem as they expect to get what they pay for but I think it shows how much people are obsessed with numbers and specs on a car. The engine is still well up on the last NA 88hp (?!) and it meets the new emmissions standards.  but due to an overinflated number on the sales books (Mazda USA\'s fault ?? the Euro spec seems to be about the same power output now)  its deemed a failure by all the rotary haters

Mike

[craig]

deemed a failure by all the rotary haters//

They will be proved wrong the amount of interest from the average man and not to forget the girls on the street love the look of this car they don\'t give to hoots about bhp,fule yes but everything else is just nothing to them realy,if it looks good and that it does and drives well then it will be a winner :cool

[Mark Ide]

Originally posted by MikeLMR The engine is still well up on the last NA 88hp (?!) Mike [/B]

Mike my EGI puts out a lot more than 88hp!!!

[MikeLMR]

88bhp MORE than the EGI

[conehead]

Craig, I\'m not a rotary hater but I have cancelled my RX8 order.

I\'m afraid there\'s no "package" (no matter how brilliantly styled)  that I\'d accept that generates only 231ps from 14-20mpg and only just manages to squeeze under the emissions barrier. It\'s not the max-power alone, or the economy alone, or the emissions alone...it\'s all 3.

Perhaps in America where they don\'t give a damn about the environment (viz. Kyoto agreement and recent repeal of environmental restrictions on power generation plants), and they\'re fuel prices are half those in europe...then I\'d happily accept 231ps and sod the consumption.

But those figures just don\'t stack up in the UK...not now the new FSI technology is claiming to break to 50pgm for a 150+ bhp 4 pot petrol engine.

I don\'t hate rotaries, I hate waste...this seems like a waste...I had hope Mazda could really make this a viable alternative...personally, I don\'t think they have.

C.

[MikeLMR]

The renesis meets the new Euro 4 emissions regs ... drive an RX8 through London and the exhaust gasses at idle will be cleaner than the air going in the intake! I don\'t see how that is poluting



Mike  " 14-20mpg , 115hp on a good day & emmissions that won\'t pass even the \'73 test standards "

[conehead]

Mike,

Yep, it does meet euro 4...but it had to be detuned by 20ps (if not more) to meet it.

Feel free to wrap your mouth round the exhaust of an 8 if you feel it\'s so clean.

Seriously though and in all honesty...I don\'t see how you can really defend those basic figures...except to say "I don\'t care".

But, how are Mazda supposed to tempt me (a hot hatch\'er) into buying their brand when I can cruise at 90mph all day in my current 200ps vehicle and still get 34mpg.


Ciaran.

[MikeLMR]

obviously people are buying the car becuase they like it and want somthing a little different ... Mazda won\'t be aiming to sell millions of RX8\'s so I presume they will be relying on the novelty value to sell enough to make some money and raise their profile as a company that leads and not follows the crowd.

Sounds like more than enough to tempt enough people away from the quick but common hot hatches etc. etc.

I\'ll pass on the exhaust pipe thanks , it may be clean but it is devoid of oxygen and probably picked up some nasty heavy metals from those god awfull catalytic converters the governent thinks is a good idea (yes lets strip mine rainforests to find the metals to make these environment saving devices instead of persuing lean burn and high comp. engines :rolleyes: )

[craig]

To me if ya that bothered about emissions get an Electric car

[garygfx]

I agree with Conehead, we need to be responsible with regards to emissions and fuel consuption. I moved out of the "big smoke" last year and I really notice a difference, plus my hayfever has stopped!

I\'m in a dilema because Mazda have created this fantastic looking car with some unqiue features and a good spec for the money. While it may be exciting to have a very different engine to all the other cars on the road, I don\'t understand why it\'s meants to be better than a piston engine? I may be missing some techincal stats so please fill me in if that\'s the case. Below I\'m comparing it to a piston based engine of the same power output:

For:
* smaller
* lighter
* less vibrations
* quieter
* more reliable(?)
* novilty factor

Against:
* higher emissions
* less mpg
* regular oil checks and top ups
* AA/RAC are less knowledgable if you break down
* lacks throbbing roaring sound of equiv piston engines (personal taste)

This may sound like blasphomy to rotary fans, but if Mazda put a 2.5 litre, 230bhp, 25-30mpg piston engine in there I\'d slap down a deposit now. Please don\'t take my post the wrong way, I\'m very happy to listen to other opinions, facts and discussions. I\'m so close to putting down a deposit.

[Deathknell]

Originally posted by garygfx

Against:
* higher emissions
* less mpg
* regular oil checks and top ups
* AA/RAC are less knowledgable if you break down
* lacks throbbing roaring sound of equiv piston engines (personal taste)

 

If these are your main concerns by another BMW

No doubt you will be seeing plenty of the AA/RAC, who will have plenty of knowledge about your BM

[garygfx]

The first 4 of my 5 "againsts" are facts, not a personal preference. Are these not worthwhile concerns? I think they are. Please hear me out first. I really like the design of the RX8 and have been harvesting the Net for pics and info over the past few weeks as I\'ve fallen in love with the car. I\'m trying not to be blinded by that and am doing my best to keep a clear head. No rose tinted glasses, although I feel them sliding down over my eyes every now and then, especially when I tell friends about this amazing car. My mobile phone is loaded with photos and video clips!

BTW, my BMW is 4.5 years old and hasn\'t had a single failure/problem. Reliability is excellent, but any car can break down anywhere. Bad luck can strike even care-free rotary  owners! If it does then there\'s a higher chance you\'ll be towed home instead of a roadside fix.

[Deathknell]

Yeah alrighty, but all that is extremely different about this car is the rotary engine. I don\'t think the AA/RAC mechanic is going to be stripping the engine and replacing the rotors by the side of the road. All problems that are likely to be able to be fixed by the side of the road will be no different from any other car.

This isn\'t exactly the first car ever to have a rotary engine, they have been around a while. If you get a mechanic that has any sort of sense he\'ll be able to deal with the fact that your car doesn\'t contain any camshafts. If he can\'t, he is unlikely to be able to fix your problem no matter what engine your car has.

If you want lower emissions buy a Toyota Prius or Honda Insight and don\'t buy a performance car they all have higher emissions.

If you want higher MPG get a diesel, this will also have a nice "throbbing roaring sound" even when idling and thus kill two birds.

And seeing as you never check the oil why would checking the oil be a problem? Seeing as the RX-8 doesn\'t only have a little light but an oil pressure gauge too.

[garygfx]

Honda, Toyota, diesel... show me one that\'s a good looking as the RX8! Okay, the new Jag shown at the Frankfurt motor show is the only exception that has it all; 50mpg, stunning looks. But that must be 2 years off, if Jaguar carry through with it.

[Deathknell]

IMO there isn\'t one as good looking as the RX-8. But I like the rotary engine. :cool

You apparently don\'t. It doesn\'t make the right sound for you, it uses to much fuel, it\'s emissions are too high, it uses oil, the AA man might not be able to fix it.  :rolleyes:

In short... u should buy a different car.  Maybe u should wait for the Jag or buy a VX220 Turbo (33mpg isn\'t bad)

It\'s only the looks u like, but u will have to live with the engine every day u drive it. Think about it, u know I\'m right.