Rumoured 300BHP RX8

[BlueAdept]

I know it\'s no consolation, but they ALL do that... it\'s not water leaking in, it\'s condensation caused by temperature differential... I\'m sure it\'s as a result of having plastic lenses... they do it on the front too...

[ilovemyrx8]

I know it\'s no consolation, but they ALL do that... it\'s not water leaking in, it\'s condensation caused by temperature differential... I\'m sure it\'s as a result of having plastic lenses... they do it on the front too...

Exactly what I was going to say I\'ve had a few xars now where ther plastic lens is put on the cluster and they\'ve all done the same unfortunatly it\'s just something we\'re (as 8 owners will have to put up wit

[Spectre26]

I know it\'s no consolation, but they ALL do that... it\'s not water leaking in, it\'s condensation caused by temperature differential... I\'m sure it\'s as a result of having plastic lenses... they do it on the front too...

Looks like i might not even bother mentioning it to them when i pop down 2 c them... Just makes me look picky :p just as ya said guess i gotta live with it. :o

[Ianmcurtis]

I know it\'s no consolation, but they ALL do that... it\'s not water leaking in, it\'s condensation caused by temperature differential... I\'m sure it\'s as a result of having plastic lenses... they do it on the front too...

My old 8 did this and I reckon my new 8 does too :mad: . However, I don\'t believe all is lost fellas. I\'ve read that some US owners have managed to have both the front AND rear clusters replaced under warranty  for the very same issues :yes .

I think that I may have even seen a Service Bulletin on this problem, something to do with the lense glue?? Put it this way, if mine deffo are misting up then I\'m off to Milcars for a warranty jobby .

Ian.

[Ricco_04]

I think you SHOULD get it done - you spend a lot of money for a car, you dont want little faults like this and if you can find the bulletin this confirms the fault!

If it gets to be more of a problem in the future you will be wishing you got it looked at!

[BlueAdept]

Absolutely...  don\'t get me wrong, if it can be fixed... that\'s great.  but if it\'s caused by temperature changes and not water leaking into the clusters then I don\'t see how replacing them can help... unless the new ones are of a different material.

[BlueAdept]

mm About my previous post, actually I DO understand the "leather" thing, but not for car seats! :-)))

IMO there\'s a simple reason... leather car seats are much longer lasting... and an aged leather seat looks better than an aged cloth one...   If you plan to keep the car for 3 years, it\'s not a concideration, but if you plan to keep it longer, then it might start to be.

[<--rYaN-->]

And out of interest are the cloth seats heated??? The heated seats are nice on the cold mornings

[Ianmcurtis]

^^^ Off topic - briefly  :eek .  Ryan, just checked out the link to your motor. Just wanted to say very nice   .

On topic - Heated cloth seats  :rollin  :rollin . I just know you are taking the urine   .

[BlueAdept]

As for that V-Pro power upgrade... Could it be this:-

http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/hksfcvmaun.html

[Spectre26]

K, this is a long one but i hope it will answer some of the questions u may have had. Please bear with me on this. :god

I popped down to T W Whites last evening to return a survey and sort out a few minor things and inadvertantly got myself a meeting with Neil White himself regarding the 300bhp RX8 hes putting out. Not being a professional reporter i\'ll try to convey the meeting we had as best i can in this post.

Biggest Vibe i got off Neil was the almost desperation he has to convince all of u that it is indeed a 300bhp machine. Just goes to show he is concerned with the opinion of all of u out there. He stated the basically logical fact that it would be maddness to spend 8mths of working (and money) on a car and then to announce to people that he was making a 300bhp car only not to produce. That would really be setting yourself up for a fall, not to mention tarnishing your reputation. Which led onto a piece of good news. Which is the car will be arriving as a completed product at Whites by the end of this week. So the day or reckoning is near.

He has even gone thru the trouble of not only getting a dyno graph printed out from the place he is getting it tuned at (Rampage) but he is also getting an independant party to dyno the car. That hopefully will convince all but the most skeptical of u out there. I believe Neil mentioned that the indi guys are based in oxford and are the same people who did the tuned EVO (Fq400... i think... btw i am crap in the memory dept)

I asked him about the apparent miscalculation with regard to the drivetrain losses derived from the figures he previously quoted us. I believe some of u worked it out to be an unbelieveable 30% drivetrain loss. He said the figures were what the tuning company quoted him and the reason for it was because of the type of dyno used. I think, but dont take it as gospel as my memory sux, he said it was a mustang dyno. And that they were characteristic of giving readouts which equated to high drivetrain losses. I\'m not a dyno professor so i am leaving the floor open to those of u who r in the know on dynos. I did try to advise him that if he was worried about people not believing the independant dyno people he has employed, that sending the car to Re-worx :cool  for an independant dyno run would probably silence all but the most hardcore of nay-sayers on this forum.

Neil said that a majority of the aftermarket kit is HKS. Don\'t know if he wanted me to mention it or not but he never said other wise... so... The exhaust & intake is HKS. As for the rest, the brakes and springs, he didn\'t have it to hand so he couldnt confirm. But what he did mention on the V-pro power upgrade was that it is a piggy back unit, not a stand alone, so i would rate Jame\'s find on the HKS v-pro as a very educated guess, especially since he did say that he wanted to go for HKS for most of the aftermarket stuff as they were a reputable international aftermarket manufacturer. Thou i must add he never mentioned who the manufacturer of the piggy back unit was.

He did add that he did look at just about all the aftermarket parts out there for the 8. He said that he had travelled to a load of countries, from USA to Japan and quite a few other places insearch of the right parts. Key considerations for him were as u would expect, 1st, does the part allow the ammount of improvement required to being the RX8 up to level? and 2nd, is it affordable enough for the buying public to shell out cash to buy the car with those parts on? I have a suspicion that he had advisors on the topic as Neil did add that he isn\'t a very technically minded guy. He said that he met some1 at the MPH show, some rotor nut (was it one of u??) who began firing questions and info at him, which which throughly baffled and impressed him. After mentioning this he said it goes to show that some of the guys out there are very clued up. Also suspect that he had an advisior on the parts selection front because he hadn\'t really heard of JIC when i asked if they considered their exhaust unit, yes... JIC fan here :p . Seeing as JIC are the tuners for the D1GP RX8 i dont really see them as a low profile aftermarket company.

Neil also mentioned to me who the test driver for this 300bhp RX8 is. Thou he did add that he didn\'t want me disclosing the identity. But I suppose i can add that whoever it is, is a pretty hi-profile driver and is not unfimilar with rx8s. The car has undergone around 6000 miles of testing so far(car was from new) A portion of the miles accumilated by Neil himself. The rest divided between the tuning house and the test driver. Neil\'s aim with this car is not just to hit the 300bhp mark but also to do it with reliability in mind He stressed that he was not up for producing a 300bhp car for sale only for it to die a few mths or weeks down the line. He mentioned that just about all the info he has released so far on the 300bhp RX8 is thru this forum as he will not go to press on the car till the 100% finished product lands on his doorstep later this week. Thou again adding that this is not an indication that the 300bhp RX8 does not exist. Neil is practically paranoid of people not believeing him... to be honest at one point in our conversation i did find it funny when he was showing me the people he was calling on his mobile just incase i doubted him lol :p

I asked about the warrenty issue, as i believe some of u out there have. Neil said the warrenty would not be a Mazda warrenty but instead would be a T W Whites approved warrenty. So any porblems would be solved thru them and not Mazda.

Next question was one that many have asked. What will be the MPG of the car? Neil\'s reply was that he would not be getting into publishing or even working out figures for this as it would involve driving the car for a month or so wholely on city roads then a month on motorways, then a month of combination. And all that time and money spent to realise those figures, plus the added pains involved in making those figures official. Its not something he really wants to be dragged into. Safe to say he added that fuel burn wouldn\'t be as good as a stock RX8 but hey... like any of u out there were really expecting a more fuel efficient RX8.

I did mention that one theroy some people on the forum had come to, was that the 300bhp could be achieved N/A if the redline was raised. He did say that it can be raised to 11k and pretty much switched subjects at that. So in all honesty that avenue is still open to debate. Guess i\'ll have to wait a lil longer to get the 100% answer.

I will be following up the latest when the car arrives in the "flesh", but as i might well be out the country on holidays next week i might miss the chance:( But rest assured I will do my best to keep u updated.He did offer me the opertunity to test drive the car round the local roads and twisties provided i promised not to stack it  :3gears-rh I just hope that the offer will still stand when i am back from my hols. Fingers crossed.

Apologies again, I know its a long ol post but finally thanks to Neil White for his time  :wave and a thanks going out to John Crook for making it possiable :wave

Also thanks to all of u who have had the patience to finish reading the post :wave

[zevans]

K, this is a long one but i hope it will answer some of the questions u may have had. Please bear with me on this. :god

Think I can speak for the forum when I say thanks for your efforts!  :god

I will draw my own conclusions from the curtailment of the NA discussion

[Ricco_04]

I did mention that one theroy some people on the forum had come to, was that the 300bhp could be achieved N/A if the redline was raised. He did say that it can be raised to 11k and pretty much switched subjects at that.

Mmmm a Mazda dealership did tell me that the origonal plan for the RX-8 was to have it limit at 14k revs - but I wold take no notice of this considering what hassle I had from them!

[BIGWITHEY]

Sounds just like the conversation I had with Neil at the MPH show at the NEC, he seemed almost desperate for people to believe his claims??  I suppose the proof of the pudding and all that .. we\'ll just have to see what happens :confused:
Oh he did say he would market the car just as a "higher powered" model if he couldn\'t get to the magic 300bhp.

 :p
Jon

[BlueAdept]

Mmmm a Mazda dealership did tell me that the origonal plan for the RX-8 was to have it limit at 14k revs - but I wold take no notice of this considering what hassle I had from them!

I\'ve certainly heard the 11K number, but I\'ve also heard that a 13B has a destructive resonance at 13K... so 14K seems unlikley, although what effect the RX8\'s lightened rotors have on this I do not know.