whats this - FCD??

Grizzly · August 21, 2005, 01:50:57 PM

So where do you stand? would you still say to somone they will be Ok to fit a FCD and up the boost not knowing if the car is past its sell by date?

TRex · August 21, 2005, 01:52:17 PM

Sorry Chris, I just edited my post above.

Grizzly · August 21, 2005, 01:57:01 PM

At the end of the day i just don\'t like FCD\'s i have lost an engine through the temptation it caused combined with a Boost Controler.

So when it all comes down to it i will always recomend the proper way, Pump,Injectors and EMS. Becouse its safe you still have a Fuel cut which you can set and you can see what everything is doing.

But as you say it can be done but like anything its a risk?

TRex · August 21, 2005, 01:59:01 PM

Quote from: GrizzlySo where do you stand? would you still say to somone they will be Ok to fit a FCD and up the boost not knowing if the car is past its sell by date?

Thats tricky, because as stated just now, increasing the performance out of anything that has been around the block abit and has seen some action will be a risk taking venture as you have pointed out, many things may be worn and close to fracture and the little bit extra pressure/performance can just push it to it\'s now fragile limit.
So in a situation like this I may advise against it...
But saying this, I personally think going into \'boost cut mode\' is not healthy.

One of my Impreza\'s used to hit the Boost cat so hard you would pratically almost hit the windsheild, it was sooo violent.... And this was the outside feeling it, far less for the actuall motor internals...

Grizzly · August 21, 2005, 02:15:24 PM

How funys that, when ever i have a Debate on a forum i go away and check my e-Mail and theres hole row of "whats this - FCD??" mails. LOL

TRex · August 21, 2005, 02:22:38 PM

What can I say, you\'re popular...... :rollin

Brett · August 21, 2005, 02:45:19 PM

Interesting reading guys

My FCD is fitted primarily as a safety device due to not knowing whether the wastegate was playing my tune or not. With all the cars I\'ve modded, I\'ve rebuilt them first and replaced any parts that are going to be a weak link. Modding a car without checking it is suicide in terms of the engines life.
I agree that if you are planning on running above stock boost as a matter of course you should install a proper \'safety net\', I\'m fitting WI and a spray for the IC, if this is not a safe way to run 10psi for the occasional blast then I\'m sure I\'ll pay the price and do a nice big write on it

Grizzly · August 21, 2005, 02:56:23 PM

If you want my Advice buy a wide band. I have a Innovative, i got it a few years ago and has saved me on more than one occasion.

If you do get one, go for one that has RPM and data logging on it. the only problem with mine is its a bit Bulky and the display is a little small but it does the job.

Grizzly · August 21, 2005, 03:00:27 PM

Quote from: BrettInteresting reading guys
My FCD is fitted primarily as a safety device due to not knowing whether the wastegate was playing my tune or not.

Sorry i don\'t undertand? the Fuel cut is the Saftey device and the FCD removes it so you can rase the boost past the factory preset.

Brett · August 21, 2005, 05:42:45 PM

Yes, but when your factory preset has decided to shaft itself due to a dmaged loom, I put the FCD on to act as a signal modulator fromt the PS to the ECU. Now I\'ve gotten the loom repaired and tracked down all the air leaks its pretty much redundant.
When I get the car prepped I will see about a wide band. What make do you use?

Grizzly · August 21, 2005, 06:08:23 PM

Innovative.

Brett · August 21, 2005, 06:41:29 PM

Cheers, I\'ll look \'em up

antnicuk · August 21, 2005, 07:01:06 PM

I have had several TII\'s now. My first was about 9 years ago. It had a FCD on it an a controller, i sourced the car through Pip who recommended it and put the new engine in it. Pip told me i could run 1 bar all day long which of course with a controller i did. The engine didnt last very long..... obviosly so pip rebuilt it and still told me i could run 1 bar all day long which i did. The engine didnt last very long........... obviously. I took it back under warranty and Pip rebuilt it again charging me another shed load of money. I then spoke to a few poeple in the know who all said that you could upto 10 or 11 psi on a TII with out any further mods. So since then i havent been back to Pip\'s....... obviously. :rolleyes:

I got another TII cab, about 4 years ago, fitted a different turbo, FMIC and wanted to run more boost. I fitted an FD fuel pump and made an attachment for two fuel injectors on the throttle body that ran off a pressure switch. Crude i know but it did the job. With a poor stock clutch slipping like mad i ran 14.3 on a concrete 1/4 mile, 3 years ago. and the converts are heavier.

I\'ll get to the point now..... :cool
The main problem with TII\'s is that even now, there is not a lot available in the way of affordable engine/fuel management that is simple to fit unlike the FD or other jap cars. The microtec has only really been available with the proper support and tuning for the last year or two. But i can see both your sides......... now wheres ther fence and i\'ll go and sit on it :rollin

FD3SNuttah · August 21, 2005, 07:33:10 PM

haha, all that from wanting to know if an FCD has been installed!

as it happens i am planning on rewireing the fuel pump and changing all the hoses and making sure its sweet, so i can at least count on the engine not expiring because of a split hose.

yes yes there are many other things that will die on an old car, but i think mines not too bad, its only done 77K.

Great discussion ont the FCD, I have read what you lot are saying and learnt something new today.

i cant afford the total EMS swap, thats a grand easy, which is a LOT more than i paid for the car, maybe at a later stage i will if i go downt he road of bigegr turbos, but i will want an FD by then!

so in the mean time how about one of those nifty fuel computers, apexi do one of those its called the SAFC II

LINK IS HERE

at 300 quid it looks reasonable even when new and second hand ones can be had for much cheaper. So wont this do the job? why do i need to bother with the power fc and the microtech, when all i need is a boost contoller and one of those babys?

grinder · August 21, 2005, 09:23:37 PM

thats the same FCD as mine

still not 100% sure that it does - all the above got a bit technical for me

but at the end of the day im not looking for huge boost figures

Just got to stick the FD fuel pump in mine ( just cause i have it and its another precation )

take care

stu