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'vert in the garage for the winter. (And until I fix the clutch slave cylinder  )

True but fortunately section 7.1 of the testers manual states the check for the presence of a cat is only for cars which are subject to a cat emissions test - since all the FCs (UK or import) are exempt from a cat test (because first used before 1st Aug 1992) we don\'t have to have a cat fitted (whether there was one OE or not)

Course the draft manual could change before 1st Jan

But no jap import FDs have that format VIN number. Only the UK spec ones do.

Uh huh... so what\'s your point?  "I\'m alright Jack \'cos mine\'s an import :p "?

Its a bit odd that this info was posted in the 2nd gen part of the forum considering its only the UK spec FDs that are going to have issues

I posted it here because I\'ve got an FC and I only read the FC forum  

I posted for the benefit of other FC owners who might be concerned on first reading of the change that we are going to be affected - turns out we are ok.  It then morphed into a discussion about whether it will affect FDs or not.

Totally agree with you wolfie1. All it\'s going to do it whack the price of getting a ticket even higher, which is even more galling when all my cars are over 20 years old and all this new sh*t isn\'t even fitted, yet I still have to pay the higher price.

Just one more way that the govt are surreptitiously getting all cars over 10 y.o. off the road and forcing us to buy new sh*te.

True! :mmmm

the wheels change depending on the photo though :rollin

Hope it\'s got those 5-spokes on and not the 6-spokes - I don\'t like the look of that camber angle on the rear 6-spokes

noooo, don\'t want that at all  Just want to give people a heads up before their cars start getting VT30 notices, and they start crying about how they didn\'t know about it or "my car\'s exempt cos I think it is" etc.

Just \'cos you\'ve got away without a cat emissions test in the past I think you should be concerned about this new EU legislation and whether it will be so easy to get away without actually having a cat fitted (or something that looks like a cat ).  I foresee a lot of exhaust swapping at MoT time coming up...



Mind you, FCs ARE better than FDs :duck:
(But then I also think S2 FBs are better than FCs!)

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Page 58 is quite interesting though

Exactly.  If your vin number contains FD13B2 then you are subject to a cat emissions test (and therefore have to have a cat present post 1/1/12).

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I\'m not talking \'bout emissions, I\'m talking about the presence of a cat. You gonna draw one on the floorpan?

I assume you are claiming exemption under section 7.3 ?

Ah no, it seems you are claiming exemption from the cat test on the basis that it will fail the BET test and it\'s not listed in the VOSA database (assuming it doesn\'t have a VDS code of FD13B2).

That\'s fine w.r.t. the emissions test, but I think you are on very thin ice if you try and claim that will get you exemption from the new requirement to actually have a cat present.  

Note the wording (my highlighting)

On vehicles that qualify for a full cat emissions test, check the presence of the catalytic converter.

In this respect you *do* qualify for a full cat emissions test - it is merely part of the flowchart for that test that your emissions are actually tested to non-cat levels (s.7.3 pg.9).


You are banking on (mis-)interpretation of the wording to give you a loophole in the draft VOSA manual.  Hmm, I can see tears at bedtime...


(note: if it passes the BET test then there is NO exemption from the cat test (since you do not get to that point in the flowchart!), although I guess passing the BET test is unlikely without a cat in the first place!)

Grey Imported FDs 92-95 are only subjected to the non-cat test

I assume you are claiming exemption under section 7.3 ?

A personal import must be tested according to its date of first use.  The only exemption to this is if the vehicle owner can present to the tester at time of test a letter from the vehicle manufacturer stating that the particular engine as originally installed could not meet the equivalent British emission standards.  
 
If this is the case, then test to the next lower emission standard.

Seriously? FDs couldn\'t meet the cat emission test?! :2eek  Yet FCs with cats could.  Methinks someone somewhere has been telling porkies...

Grey Imported FDs 92-95 are only subjected to the non-cat test

Interesting... can you quote a source for that please?

Here\'s a new one on me which I don\'t know if you guys have discussed before.

Apparently from 1 Jan 2012 it will be a new requirement in the MoT test for :

A catalytic convertor fitted as original equipment but missing will be a reason for failure.

(source)

In other words you don\'t just have to pass the emissions test but you must also have the cat in place to do so.

This means all of you who have ripped out your cats will now fail the MoT test (even if the emissions figures are within limits). :censored:

But don\'t panic, on closer reading of the actual manual (see section 7.1) this is only for cars which are subject to a cat test - so only those first used on or after 1 August 1992.  Mind you that still stuffs all those modded FDs :p :Giggle

Agreed

The pinging/knocking noise is caused by the pressure wave from the detonation explosion - i.e. you are *hearing* the explosion.  Consider it this way, diesel engines suffer pre-ignition most of the time (especially at idle) - this is why they clatter.  If the clattering was the piston hitting the wall then the engines would nuke themselves inside a few yards.  The clattering is the sound made by the detonations.

Yep you are right - skirt slap can happen, but that isn\'t what you are usually hearing when you hear detonation.  So yes detonation can cause piston slap but it\'s not compulsory and the sound you hear isn\'t the sound of the slap.

I think I\'d better stop now before I bore (oops no pun intended! ) peeps any further

p.s. the clue as to the veracity of that definition lies in the statement "The resulting knock/ping is the sound of the pistons slamming against the cylinder walls" which is of course utter nonsense!