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General => General Queries / Hints and Tips on purchasing a rotary => Topic started by: flectron on October 18, 2004, 12:37:50 PM

Title: customs grief
Post by: flectron on October 18, 2004, 12:37:50 PM
hi guys.

my car\'s nearly here and i\'ve just spoken to the shipping guys about customs clearance.
now, i AM a total newbie to such things as car importing and therefore a bit naive, but i was stunned to find out that customs will want 10% duty and 17.5% VAT!
have any other forum members stumbled upon a 27.5% increase in the total cost of your import, or do trade importers factor this into the cost of advertised cars?

i can\'t believe i gotta find another £2k:mad: :mad: :mad:

gord:D
Title: customs grief
Post by: J4P RX on October 18, 2004, 12:52:12 PM
Its factored in.  Everyone has to pay it.  Its actually more than 27.5%.

First off you pay the 10% import duty on everything, and then the VAT at 17.5% is added on top of this so you pay VAT on the Duty too.
Title: customs grief
Post by: flectron on October 18, 2004, 12:55:56 PM
jeez. oh well.

personal importers beware! :(

cheers

gord:D
Title: customs grief
Post by: J4P RX on October 18, 2004, 01:05:29 PM
Hmm this is for the RX3?

I think theres a date before which you dont have to pay some of the stuff.  Im not sure if the 70\'s is old enough but might be worth a look.

Cheers
Lee
Title: customs grief
Post by: MikeLMR on October 18, 2004, 01:05:33 PM
yup been stung for that before, it also aplies to parts over a certain value too but then you also get stung for the shipping company charging you for them paying the tax for you !

Its actually 117.5% of 110% of the price inlcuding the shipping charges so you end up paying 29.25% of whatever it cost to buy and ship !
Title: customs grief
Post by: Lesmon on October 18, 2004, 01:06:08 PM
and the duty is 10% of the (cost of Car + Cost of shipping).
Title: customs grief
Post by: flectron on October 18, 2004, 01:10:37 PM
holy shit it just grows and grows:reallymad

this car is gonna bankrupt me before i can drive it:(

i guess the lesson is: learn all there is to know before you take something on...

hope some other members can learn from my mistakes.

thanks for the info guys

gord:D
Title: Re: customs grief
Post by: 20B_boy on October 18, 2004, 01:15:31 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by flectron
but i was stunned to find out that customs will want 10% duty and 17.5% VAT!
Nice to see you looked into this importing thing thoroughly!

Yep, as Lee says its more than 27.5%, more like 29%+ :(

Declared cost of car say £10,000
(including I think: Export, shipping and insurance?)
Duty (£10,000 x 0.1) = £1,000
Sub total = £11,000
VAT on cost+duty (£11,000 x .175) = £1925

Total cost £12,925

Get saving quick matey! Will be worth it tho :D

Rich
Title: customs grief
Post by: flectron on October 18, 2004, 01:20:41 PM
yeah i feel mighty stupid now mate. like i say i hope my mistakes are helpful to others.

i just did the math.... if i don\'t get any breaks for an older car then i owe customs.... £2778.75!!

that stings i can tell you.

gord:D
Title: customs grief
Post by: 20B_boy on October 18, 2004, 01:31:47 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by flectron
yeah i feel mighty stupid now mate. like i say i hope my mistakes are helpful to others.
Dont worry mate, we are just more used to being done in the butt as far as any thing tax is concerned! :(
Title: customs grief
Post by: Archbish on October 18, 2004, 01:45:43 PM
Is this a car you owned elsewhere as a resident or one you are importing?  Cos I thought if you already owned it as a resident, you didn\'t need to pay so much tax...??
Title: customs grief
Post by: flectron on October 18, 2004, 02:13:01 PM
alas no, bought it off a guy on ausrotary forum. i think you\'re right tho, it would be way cheaper if i\'d owned it overseas.

gord:D
Title: customs grief
Post by: sadgoth on October 18, 2004, 02:56:44 PM
At least it isn\'t as bad as where my dad is, they have 65% duty on new car imports or 45% secondhand. Needless to say when my dad buys cars he has 2 receipts made up! (one cheap one for the taxman!)

Although surely we could just buy a car in Aus/NZ or Japan and keep it over there for 6 months, import it as our own car? Hmmm, plotting ways to avoid tax is always a good way to spend a Monday
Title: customs grief
Post by: J4P RX on October 18, 2004, 04:28:35 PM
I think its 2 years not 6 months.  Would have to check though.  Youd probably need it registered to you out there as well though to get it without duty.
Title: customs grief
Post by: fro on October 18, 2004, 04:30:41 PM
I think it\'s 2 years too. I\'m looking at jobs in Aus at the moment and I don\'t think I\'m going to be able to take my car with me :(
Title: customs grief
Post by: Schtoo on October 18, 2004, 04:35:36 PM
65% tax? Ouch.

I dread to think what it\'s like here, but I do know they charge a US$10,000 inspection/assesment fee on any car imported.

Wether you bring in one or ten, it\'s the same price. Which is a good reason to bring in 10 and sell them to your friends!

Wondering wether something from Oz might be interesting to the locals or not. A couple of Utes might be fun for drifting, no?
Title: customs grief
Post by: J4P RX on October 18, 2004, 04:51:36 PM
I did once wonder if I could send TVR\'s and stuff to Japan like lots of cars come here.  Probably too much effort though and I have seen them out there so someone must be doing it.
Title: customs grief
Post by: toon19974 on October 18, 2004, 05:06:03 PM
i had to pay an extra £1500 on mine m8, but this was expected!!!
Title: customs grief
Post by: flectron on October 18, 2004, 05:18:22 PM
It looks from the paperwork like i may be able to pay a deposit, get the car and pay the rest off. which downgrades a total catastrophe to a mere royal pain in the ass.

wonder if they\'ll accept 10p a week for the next .... (furious mental calculation) .... 520 years? hmm doubt it somehow.

gord:D
Title: customs grief
Post by: J4P RX on October 18, 2004, 05:34:26 PM
But you cant register it untill you have the forms saying the duty is paid.

I think.

You certianly need the customs clearance form which I dont think youd get without paying the VAT and Duty.
Title: customs grief
Post by: toon19974 on October 18, 2004, 05:59:08 PM
customs won\'t release the car until all payments have been fully paid. that\'s what happened with mine:rolleyes:
Title: customs grief
Post by: flectron on October 18, 2004, 05:59:35 PM
darn. see y\'all at rotorstock 2010 then.

having a baaaad monday.
gord:D
Title: customs grief
Post by: gsb876 on October 18, 2004, 06:04:42 PM
One good thing matey to come out of all of this messing around is that you have manged to get a one off car that looks stunning, so its not all bad hey???:)
Title: customs grief
Post by: flectron on October 18, 2004, 06:30:45 PM
thanks man, i just gotta keep reminding myself that. who ever said fulfilling a dream would be easy? :rolleyes:
as soon as i get done with the bs and get to take her for a burn i know it\'ll all have been worthwhile.
may have a slightly tender wallet for a few months tho, after roughly receiving the taxman\'s ample girth...

gord:D
Title: customs grief
Post by: MikeLMR on October 18, 2004, 06:40:53 PM
tell you what being a nice chap and all I\'ll pay the tax and you can pay me back at 10p per week for the next 520 years.

oh and i get to keep the car till its paid back :D

Cheers ~ Mike
Title: customs grief
Post by: flectron on October 18, 2004, 06:48:10 PM
hehe. thanks for the offer mike. gonna have to decline tho...

gord:D
Title: customs grief
Post by: flectron on October 18, 2004, 06:54:49 PM
hey just a thought. would it have made a difference if i shipped it to eire? or would i have to do it through an s.irish contact to avoid the same grief at uk border...?

gord:D
Title: customs grief
Post by: gsb876 on October 19, 2004, 07:51:46 AM
Not sure but what if the car was not for you but for a relative??? As a present??? might be something in that i believe unless i am wrongly informed:confused:
Title: customs grief
Post by: flectron on October 19, 2004, 10:01:12 AM
dunno mate. sounds good tho. give it to my g/f for xmas (but fordbid her to drive it);)

gord:D
Title: customs grief
Post by: travellinbob on October 20, 2004, 07:31:37 PM
The gift theory sounds like it should be well worth looking into.
 Would it help if it was being bought by an aussie? I would be happy to have my name on the rego papers>:evillaugh :evillaugh
 Seriously though if it would save you a stack of cash then I would help if i could. ( and yes you would get to keep the car! just keep mike away from it.:D )
 Cant wait to see it anyway, bloody awesome machine. Hmm, and its aussie built too. Wonder if there is anythng in that.:bandit .

travellinbob runs out of the room ducking the bullets.
Title: customs grief
Post by: flectron on October 20, 2004, 08:48:07 PM
thanks for the kind offers, but it\'s gonna be in my name, ok people? step away from the car. ;)

i\'m gonna try and get a VAT break by claiming it\'s of historical interest, which reduces it from 17.5% to 5%.
i need some back-up but the prez said he\'d help (cheers clive:wave).
seems like there\'s a long lead time on these applications, so i\'ll probably have to pay in full (cheers bank:wave) and try and claw some back whenever the lovely VAT people are ready. :rolleyes:

gord:D

ps no bullets here bob, i agree when it comes to old-skoolers. don\'t know if carl will tho.. or our kiwi friends..;)
Title: customs grief
Post by: MikeLMR on October 27, 2004, 12:50:15 PM
is it here yet ?????????
Title: customs grief
Post by: flectron on October 27, 2004, 01:33:11 PM
yep, arrived yesterday! :)
but it\'s in southampton, and will be for a couple of days til it\'s cleared customs, etc. bloke reckons he\'ll have it here monday by the latest, making this already the longest week in history.:rolleyes:
paid the duty/ vat yesterday, came to £2385.11 which smarted a little, but i\'m over it - i\'m not prepared to get down about money. if i was a financially responsible type of bloke i wouldn\'t be buying this car in the first place, rather an economical little runaround like a fiat 126 or summat:p
soooo, expect the first pix sometime next week.
gord:D
Title: customs grief
Post by: WeasleRx7 on October 27, 2004, 01:43:10 PM
That\'s great news Gord :D

I\'m looking forward to seeing it about.  You will drive it wont you?? Not just keep it locked away until the 2 days of sunshine we get each year!

Simon :wave
Title: customs grief
Post by: flectron on October 27, 2004, 02:22:30 PM
hi simon :wave

well....

i\'ll drive it more than the previous owner (about 300km/year :eek: ), but i am going to be a bit precious about taking it out in the rain... also i\'ve got classic insurance for it which limits the mileage to 5000 p/a..
when yours gets back we could have a mini meet and see if any other glos rotors wanna meet...?
i bought my little 1000 to be my daily driver - you seen it buzzing round town yet?
it\'s definitely the only one in \'nam! (pics in link in sig.)

gord:D
Title: customs grief
Post by: Big Stu on October 27, 2004, 02:55:30 PM
Gord,

Great News on the Car. I used to live in Glos and i may be down with my shiny new motor shortly. If i do ill let you know so we can go through the inner ring of cheltenham and upset to multiple chavs that hang around the bus station in there XR2i\'s
Title: customs grief
Post by: flectron on October 27, 2004, 03:40:57 PM
:rollin

hehehehe i proposed exactly the same thing to simon (weaslerx7).
but yeah definitely let me know if you\'re around \'nam - i\'d love a look at your shiny new beast.

gord:D
Title: customs grief
Post by: clive on October 27, 2004, 10:39:04 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by flectron
yep, arrived yesterday! :)
but it\'s in southampton, and will be for a couple of days til it\'s cleared customs, etc. bloke reckons he\'ll have it here monday by the latest, making this already the longest week in history.:rolleyes:
paid the duty/ vat yesterday, came to £2385.11 which smarted a little, but i\'m over it - i\'m not prepared to get down about money. if i was a financially responsible type of bloke i wouldn\'t be buying this car in the first place, rather an economical little runaround like a fiat 126 or summat:p
soooo, expect the first pix sometime next week.
gord:D


Hi Gord,
Sorry didn\'t realise the car landing was quite so imminent, if you didn\'t receive it today you will receive it in the morning, a letter from the club written by myself to claim the historical interest of the car to gain a reduction for you.

Hopefully you can get a refund on production of this letter
Title: customs grief
Post by: flectron on October 27, 2004, 10:51:15 PM
that\'s great, thanks for helping clive.
Regards,

Gord:D