Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Tintin on September 12, 2004, 05:55:06 PM
Post by: Tintin on September 12, 2004, 05:55:06 PM
I\'m planning on getting a tripple gauge pod for where the center speaker is and am just wondering if anyone could suggest which gauges would be most worth while getting
at the mo I\'m thinking oil temp , water temp and A/F ratio
I just want to be able to keep a better eye on what the engine is doing
at the mo I\'m thinking oil temp , water temp and A/F ratio
I just want to be able to keep a better eye on what the engine is doing
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: scooby_si on September 12, 2004, 06:12:55 PM
Post by: scooby_si on September 12, 2004, 06:12:55 PM
(short term memory loss mode on as i was looking at it earlier) do you already have a boost guage then that\'s gota be an essential....?(http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/ups/sicdeth/headscratch.gif)
Si
PS look here\'s ya car:
Si
PS look here\'s ya car:
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Tintin on September 12, 2004, 06:21:21 PM
Post by: Tintin on September 12, 2004, 06:21:21 PM
Yeah already got a boost gauge , by the way whats EGT ? is it exhaust gas temp ? if so why is that so important ?
Sorry if I seem a bit thick but I\'m new at all this whats my engine doing stuff
Sorry if I seem a bit thick but I\'m new at all this whats my engine doing stuff
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: scooby_si on September 12, 2004, 07:45:25 PM
Post by: scooby_si on September 12, 2004, 07:45:25 PM
yeah that\'s EGT not sure entirely myself but as i understood it it can give a sign of how the engine is running but that they can frequently go awry AKA melt 
not sure if i\'ve just made that up mind.........
Not sure what the concensus is on what\'s cunning/best although water & oil temp certainly sound a good plan i\'d be intreged what your intake temps are as well but that\'s as much for my selfish comparison with my modified cold air feed as anything....
Si
not sure if i\'ve just made that up mind.........Not sure what the concensus is on what\'s cunning/best although water & oil temp certainly sound a good plan i\'d be intreged what your intake temps are as well but that\'s as much for my selfish comparison with my modified cold air feed as anything....
Si
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: gsb876 on September 12, 2004, 07:57:07 PM
Post by: gsb876 on September 12, 2004, 07:57:07 PM
Apart from the Power FC i have oil temp / boost / exhaust temp.
Think they are all essential in knowing your car is running well:)
PS - Sorry didnt make the midlands meet, how many we get??? rx wise???:)
Think they are all essential in knowing your car is running well:)
PS - Sorry didnt make the midlands meet, how many we get??? rx wise???:)
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Tintin on September 12, 2004, 07:57:51 PM
Post by: Tintin on September 12, 2004, 07:57:51 PM
just seen some digital gauges that have two read outs on them , gonna have a look whas around might give me some more ideas
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Fish on September 12, 2004, 07:58:36 PM
Post by: Fish on September 12, 2004, 07:58:36 PM
Good choises with the oil and water temps, but I would swap the AFR for an oil pressure gauge.
Fish
Fish
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Tintin on September 12, 2004, 08:16:02 PM
Post by: Tintin on September 12, 2004, 08:16:02 PM
is the stock oil pressure gauge unreliable then ??
Gurj ,
there were 3 of us there , me , si and wav
it was good to meet some of you at last , its nice to put a face to a name :D
Gurj ,
there were 3 of us there , me , si and wav
it was good to meet some of you at last , its nice to put a face to a name :D
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: scooby_si on September 12, 2004, 08:50:43 PM
Post by: scooby_si on September 12, 2004, 08:50:43 PM
think it\'s probably similar to the water temp one in that it doesn\'t really tell you anything specific till it\'s probably too late......& the one Fish mentions would be good for telling if anything was awry etc (dont quote the ignorant one, ie me, on that mind...)
Good to meet you too BTW & hope your lady + little un wasn\'t scared by us strange petrol heads (http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/icw/020.gif) lol
Si
Good to meet you too BTW & hope your lady + little un wasn\'t scared by us strange petrol heads (http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/icw/020.gif) lol
Si
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: gsb876 on September 12, 2004, 08:54:13 PM
Post by: gsb876 on September 12, 2004, 08:54:13 PM
Good stuff there TinTin, i might make the northern meet on Monday, not promising though, as i can\'t promise:rolleyes:
Gurj:rollin
Gurj:rollin
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Tintin on September 12, 2004, 09:13:32 PM
Post by: Tintin on September 12, 2004, 09:13:32 PM
yeah we had a good day , the missis wasn\'t bored like she thought she was going to be , she dosn\'t think its sad any more
Been loking at some dual gauges with digital readouts , come up with a combination that I think would cover most thinks
Oil temp/Oil pressure
water temp/Fuel pressure
Intake temp/Exhaust temp
what are peoples thoughts , I think these are the same gauges Fish has SPA Design
Been loking at some dual gauges with digital readouts , come up with a combination that I think would cover most thinks
Oil temp/Oil pressure
water temp/Fuel pressure
Intake temp/Exhaust temp
what are peoples thoughts , I think these are the same gauges Fish has SPA Design
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Fish on September 12, 2004, 09:27:53 PM
Post by: Fish on September 12, 2004, 09:27:53 PM
Mine are oil temp/press. in one gauge, and inlet and EGT in the other.
I am not that fussed about getting a water temp gauge as the oil temp will give me an idea of whats going on. I.E. if the car is up to temp for full play mode or not. ;)
Fish
I am not that fussed about getting a water temp gauge as the oil temp will give me an idea of whats going on. I.E. if the car is up to temp for full play mode or not. ;)
Fish
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: jetpilot on September 12, 2004, 09:51:38 PM
Post by: jetpilot on September 12, 2004, 09:51:38 PM
They are good looking set of guages, what make are they and where can you get them please.
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Tintin on September 12, 2004, 10:03:01 PM
Post by: Tintin on September 12, 2004, 10:03:01 PM
I found there website here (http://www.spa-uk.co.uk/design/dualgauges.htm) don\'t know about prices yet hopefully they will get back to me soon
Fish
what did the gauges cost you ? and did you get the senders and everything or did you have to get them seperate?
Fish
what did the gauges cost you ? and did you get the senders and everything or did you have to get them seperate?
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Fish on September 12, 2004, 10:16:10 PM
Post by: Fish on September 12, 2004, 10:16:10 PM
Yeap, they are SPA dual guages. They have now release another colour backlighting.
They came with all the sensors/sendors expect the EGT probes. Which I would still have bought my own anyway.
Cant remember what I paid as I bought them about 4 years ago.
Fish
They came with all the sensors/sendors expect the EGT probes. Which I would still have bought my own anyway.
Cant remember what I paid as I bought them about 4 years ago.
Fish
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Tintin on September 13, 2004, 04:40:10 PM
Post by: Tintin on September 13, 2004, 04:40:10 PM
Blimey !!!!
Got an email back from SPA Design with prices for the gauges
Oil pressure/Oil temp - £126.60
Water temp/Fuel pressure - £126.60
Intake temp/Exhaust temp - £118.11 plus £69.74 for intercooler adaptor box , £19.11 for themocouple , £69.74 for EGT adaptor box and £43.48 for a k type thermocouple
and the dreaded VAT needs to be addes on top
WOW a whopping £673.72 for a few gauges plus about £70 for a tripple pod
That was a bit more than I was expecting but I suppose that is for 6 gauges could get it down to about £550 if I dumped the water temp and fuel pressure
how does it compare to what other people have paid ?
Got an email back from SPA Design with prices for the gauges
Oil pressure/Oil temp - £126.60
Water temp/Fuel pressure - £126.60
Intake temp/Exhaust temp - £118.11 plus £69.74 for intercooler adaptor box , £19.11 for themocouple , £69.74 for EGT adaptor box and £43.48 for a k type thermocouple
and the dreaded VAT needs to be addes on top
WOW a whopping £673.72 for a few gauges plus about £70 for a tripple pod
That was a bit more than I was expecting but I suppose that is for 6 gauges could get it down to about £550 if I dumped the water temp and fuel pressure
how does it compare to what other people have paid ?
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: jetpilot on September 13, 2004, 06:02:58 PM
Post by: jetpilot on September 13, 2004, 06:02:58 PM
Thanks guys, they are cool guages.
I dont think the price is too bad really, you would pay £100 ish for a decent single guage, i would probably go with oil temp + pressure and a boost and something else guage. i think they would be the most important to monitor + maybe air fuel ratio.
I dont think the price is too bad really, you would pay £100 ish for a decent single guage, i would probably go with oil temp + pressure and a boost and something else guage. i think they would be the most important to monitor + maybe air fuel ratio.
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Fish on September 13, 2004, 06:31:38 PM
Post by: Fish on September 13, 2004, 06:31:38 PM
OK you get to monitor 6 things, instead of 3 for about the same money.
If you think that is expensive, do not look at the Defi gagues.
I would never pay those prices for the EGT sensors. Get them from RS Components, a hell of a lot cheaper.
Fish
If you think that is expensive, do not look at the Defi gagues.
I would never pay those prices for the EGT sensors. Get them from RS Components, a hell of a lot cheaper.
Fish
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Tintin on September 13, 2004, 07:03:46 PM
Post by: Tintin on September 13, 2004, 07:03:46 PM
Fish ,
that is a fair point , however I did find the defi gauges for £380 ish for oil temp , oil pressure , water temp
still can\'t decide what is most important to keep an eye on , obviously oil pressure and temp are quite critical , water temp is also one I\'d consider being really important
but as Fish stated oil temp can give a better idea about engine temp , but would this give an indication of low coolant
I suppose intake temp is worth knowing as well , don\'t quite understand why EGT is important ( if someone knows please tell me )
I would consider air/fuel ratio quite important as running lean is a big no no , unfortunatley SPA don\'t do a matching one
that is a fair point , however I did find the defi gauges for £380 ish for oil temp , oil pressure , water temp
still can\'t decide what is most important to keep an eye on , obviously oil pressure and temp are quite critical , water temp is also one I\'d consider being really important
but as Fish stated oil temp can give a better idea about engine temp , but would this give an indication of low coolant
I suppose intake temp is worth knowing as well , don\'t quite understand why EGT is important ( if someone knows please tell me )
I would consider air/fuel ratio quite important as running lean is a big no no , unfortunatley SPA don\'t do a matching one
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Fish on September 13, 2004, 07:29:28 PM
Post by: Fish on September 13, 2004, 07:29:28 PM
EGT as like AFR are used primarily for tuning (mapping). A lot of the tuners that I know prefer EGT to AFR, as it gives better detail of what’s happening.
If I was going for 3 single gauges I would take oil temp/press. and water temp. Intake temps fall in the first section, as the PFC could give this information.
The other worth thinking about is a boost gauge. And I wouldnt use an SPA for that.
SPA will make gauges up as per your request. ;) Not that I am trying to get another SPA user. :D
Fish
If I was going for 3 single gauges I would take oil temp/press. and water temp. Intake temps fall in the first section, as the PFC could give this information.
The other worth thinking about is a boost gauge. And I wouldnt use an SPA for that.
SPA will make gauges up as per your request. ;) Not that I am trying to get another SPA user. :D
Fish
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Tintin on September 13, 2004, 07:42:27 PM
Post by: Tintin on September 13, 2004, 07:42:27 PM
already got a RE Amemiya boost gauge so that ones covered
I do fancy the dual digital gauges so i think I\'ve definatley decided on oil temp and pressure on one
I do fancy the dual digital gauges so i think I\'ve definatley decided on oil temp and pressure on one
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Tintin on September 13, 2004, 07:46:18 PM
Post by: Tintin on September 13, 2004, 07:46:18 PM
already got a RE Amemiya boost gauge so that ones covered
I do fancy the dual digital gauges so i think I\'ve definatley decided on oil temp and pressure on one
Just gotta decide what to get on the other one or two
another option is a 4 in 1 gauge I \'ve seen , its got oil temp , oil pressure , water temp and air/fuel ratio
its 3.75" gauge and its only £150
I do fancy the dual digital gauges so i think I\'ve definatley decided on oil temp and pressure on one
Just gotta decide what to get on the other one or two
another option is a 4 in 1 gauge I \'ve seen , its got oil temp , oil pressure , water temp and air/fuel ratio
its 3.75" gauge and its only £150
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Tintin on September 13, 2004, 07:51:52 PM
Post by: Tintin on September 13, 2004, 07:51:52 PM
Forgot to say , already got an RE ECU so don\'t think I\'ll be going down the PFC route unless I decide to play around with the engine a bit
Fish
Can you remember if you could get all the intercooler adaptor box , EGT adaptor box and relevent probes from RS as this is whats punping the price up a bit
Fish
Can you remember if you could get all the intercooler adaptor box , EGT adaptor box and relevent probes from RS as this is whats punping the price up a bit
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Fish on September 13, 2004, 08:23:20 PM
Post by: Fish on September 13, 2004, 08:23:20 PM
OK, below are the links to the relevant pages on //www.RSWWW.com
Sensors â€" K Type
http://tinyurl.com/5rajn
Sensor Compression Glands
http://tinyurl.com/3zz76
Link to main sensor selection
http://tinyurl.com/4qj8r
As for mounting, we used to drill and tap it using the glands.
The only bits that I missed are the connectors for the SPA adapter box.
Fish
Sensors â€" K Type
http://tinyurl.com/5rajn
Sensor Compression Glands
http://tinyurl.com/3zz76
Link to main sensor selection
http://tinyurl.com/4qj8r
As for mounting, we used to drill and tap it using the glands.
The only bits that I missed are the connectors for the SPA adapter box.
Fish
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Tintin on September 13, 2004, 08:50:17 PM
Post by: Tintin on September 13, 2004, 08:50:17 PM
Right had a quick look through the site , unfortunatley as I\'m not entirley sur what I need I\'m not much wiser
I understand about mounting the sensors using the compression glands
But I\'m not sure which sensors are required , and when you say you missed out the connectors to the SPA adaptor box do you mean plugs for the adaptor plugs meaning you hard wired the sensors or you just missed out the adaptor box and connected the probes directly to the gauges
Sorry if I seem think but I\'m not quite sure how these digital gauges work , I understand how mechanical gauges work but all this talk of adaptor boxes and control boxes I\'m getting a bit lost
Did you fit yours yourself ?
I understand about mounting the sensors using the compression glands
But I\'m not sure which sensors are required , and when you say you missed out the connectors to the SPA adaptor box do you mean plugs for the adaptor plugs meaning you hard wired the sensors or you just missed out the adaptor box and connected the probes directly to the gauges
Sorry if I seem think but I\'m not quite sure how these digital gauges work , I understand how mechanical gauges work but all this talk of adaptor boxes and control boxes I\'m getting a bit lost
Did you fit yours yourself ?
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Fish on September 13, 2004, 09:15:24 PM
Post by: Fish on September 13, 2004, 09:15:24 PM
I fitted mine with a friend, doing his and my car that same day.
I used the 228-7489 (3mm, 25cm) sensor. I picked this one because of the heat of EGT. For inlet temps you could get away with a 1.5mm sensor (228-7445).
I used the 381-7340 gland.
And finally I used one of the following (http://tinyurl.com/5dxzg) (pink in the picture, but green in real life), but cannot remember the exact part number.
Fish
I used the 228-7489 (3mm, 25cm) sensor. I picked this one because of the heat of EGT. For inlet temps you could get away with a 1.5mm sensor (228-7445).
I used the 381-7340 gland.
And finally I used one of the following (http://tinyurl.com/5dxzg) (pink in the picture, but green in real life), but cannot remember the exact part number.
Fish
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Tintin on September 13, 2004, 10:16:47 PM
Post by: Tintin on September 13, 2004, 10:16:47 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Fish
And finally I used one of the following (http://tinyurl.com/5dxzg) (pink in the picture, but green in real life), but cannot remember the exact part number
That link dosn\'t want to work , can you describe it and I\'ll try and find it in the catologue
Also how did you go about connecting the probes to the gauges ? directley wired to the gauge or through a couple of there adaptor boxes ?
Alternativley you could be a sport and connect mine for me , I\'ll buy you a pint or two of shandy ;)
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Fish on September 14, 2004, 07:06:52 AM
Post by: Fish on September 14, 2004, 07:06:52 AM
Dont know what happened there. Try this (http://tinyurl.com/6trpt) one.
The SPA\'s use an adapter box, so using the conenctors above. Well its easy really.
As for fitting, sorry far to far up north for me. :( Its not that hard, honest. ;)
Fish
The SPA\'s use an adapter box, so using the conenctors above. Well its easy really.
As for fitting, sorry far to far up north for me. :( Its not that hard, honest. ;)
Fish
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Gerry M on September 14, 2004, 09:58:30 AM
Post by: Gerry M on September 14, 2004, 09:58:30 AM
what about omori gauges??, ive got one of there boost gauges seems pretty good. see them on ebay us every so often. http://www.omorimeter.com/
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Tintin on September 14, 2004, 07:50:07 PM
Post by: Tintin on September 14, 2004, 07:50:07 PM
Fish ,
every time I try and open that link it comes up with a page saying \' session timed out \'
very strange , all the others seemed to work
Gauges are gonna have to wait for a while now though , found out I\'ve got a buckled wheel , which a mate told me would fook up the suspension , wheel bearing and driveshaft if left ( I didn\'t think they could do so much damage ) , anyway did a bit of ringing around and was told no one will fix a buckled wheel so I\'ve ordered a new set of rims
Pain in the ass as well because I couldn\'t get the ones I wanted coz they don\'t make them wide enough to fill my wide arches , i the end I went fo some Momo Quaser 2\'s , I hope they look right as it was the missis who found them , fingers crossed
every time I try and open that link it comes up with a page saying \' session timed out \'
very strange , all the others seemed to work
Gauges are gonna have to wait for a while now though , found out I\'ve got a buckled wheel , which a mate told me would fook up the suspension , wheel bearing and driveshaft if left ( I didn\'t think they could do so much damage ) , anyway did a bit of ringing around and was told no one will fix a buckled wheel so I\'ve ordered a new set of rims
Pain in the ass as well because I couldn\'t get the ones I wanted coz they don\'t make them wide enough to fill my wide arches , i the end I went fo some Momo Quaser 2\'s , I hope they look right as it was the missis who found them , fingers crossed
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Fish on September 15, 2004, 12:01:27 AM
Post by: Fish on September 15, 2004, 12:01:27 AM
Nice set of rims... What size have you gone for?
Dont worry to much about the guages, as the thread wont be going anywhere... ;)
Fish
Dont worry to much about the guages, as the thread wont be going anywhere... ;)
Fish
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Tintin on September 15, 2004, 05:36:17 PM
Post by: Tintin on September 15, 2004, 05:36:17 PM
8 x 17\'s thought about getting 18\'s for a while but it would have cost me an arm and a leg , 235/45\'s on the front and 245/45\'s on the rear
should have them on by friday :cool
should have them on by friday :cool
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: scooby_si on September 15, 2004, 07:42:55 PM
Post by: scooby_si on September 15, 2004, 07:42:55 PM
shouldn\'t that be 255/40\'s on the rear? wouldn\'t want skinny 
ones personally......
Si
ones personally......Si
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Tintin on September 15, 2004, 09:42:39 PM
Post by: Tintin on September 15, 2004, 09:42:39 PM
will 255\'s fit on 8x17\'s or would I need 9x17\'s ?
I just told them whats on it at the mo
I just told them whats on it at the mo
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: scooby_si on September 15, 2004, 10:18:06 PM
Post by: scooby_si on September 15, 2004, 10:18:06 PM
erm i\'ll plead ignorance given i misinformed you where the AST was recently (http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/ed/wink2.gif) lol sure the standard ones are 255\'s thou so wouldn\'t wana go narrower but as i say i could be wrong.....(AGAIN (http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/ed/smiletongue.gif) lol)
Si
Si
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Tintin on September 19, 2004, 05:48:41 PM
Post by: Tintin on September 19, 2004, 05:48:41 PM
Si ,
Sorry to tell you this but I think your wrong again , I was getting a touch concered about the width of my tires as I was told I couldn\'t go any wider than 245\'s on 8x17 rims
To get anywider I would have had to go up to 18\'s and even then they only had a choice of 2 styles which they deal in , both were naf , so I stuck with the origional choice
Any way , did so checking and I pretty sure stock tires were 225\'s , if I am proved wrong I will retract this next statement
"Never ask Si a techinical question or believe what he tells you !!" :rollin
Sorry to tell you this but I think your wrong again , I was getting a touch concered about the width of my tires as I was told I couldn\'t go any wider than 245\'s on 8x17 rims
To get anywider I would have had to go up to 18\'s and even then they only had a choice of 2 styles which they deal in , both were naf , so I stuck with the origional choice
Any way , did so checking and I pretty sure stock tires were 225\'s , if I am proved wrong I will retract this next statement
"Never ask Si a techinical question or believe what he tells you !!" :rollin
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: scooby_si on September 19, 2004, 06:16:51 PM
Post by: scooby_si on September 19, 2004, 06:16:51 PM
Stock tyres on 16"ers are 225\'s as i understand it but i\'m sure 17\'s are 235 & 255, not sure what the width of the wheel that is on i confess & i could yet be wrong but go on someone say i\'m right i promise not to gloat (much (http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/ed/wink2.gif) lol) but it happens so rarely (http://www.computerpannen.com/cwm/contrib/sarge/Blurp_anim.gif) lmao
Si (AKA the technically retarded one (http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/drowned/dork.gif) pmsl)
Si (AKA the technically retarded one (http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/drowned/dork.gif) pmsl)
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Fish on September 19, 2004, 08:16:34 PM
Post by: Fish on September 19, 2004, 08:16:34 PM
Attached is a tyre size calculator.
Fish
Fish
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: gsb876 on September 19, 2004, 08:21:31 PM
Post by: gsb876 on September 19, 2004, 08:21:31 PM
Si,
"HE NO HAVE RX!!! AND HE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT RX"
:rolleyes:
"HE NO HAVE RX!!! AND HE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT RX"
:rolleyes:
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: scooby_si on September 30, 2004, 08:04:15 PM
Post by: scooby_si on September 30, 2004, 08:04:15 PM
check me bad self! (http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9559) :god lol
Si
Si
Title: which gauges ?
Post by: Rixio on October 01, 2004, 10:37:25 AM
Post by: Rixio on October 01, 2004, 10:37:25 AM
i was thinking of sumthing similar to u fish. where did u get the pod housing from though??? i thought of pillar pods u c dint even know they do centre dash pods.