car starts fine but after 2 seconds the refves drop to about 500 there is shitloads of white then black smoke that pisses out the tail i seriosuly think this car is gona end up getign sold aas parts get ur orders in now
Black smoke indicates to much fuel, way to much fuel in fact.
Sounds like you need to book it in with a specialist to resolve the problems you have.
Fish
mmm fook towing it down to chesire only to fire lodsa chash at it i got the car for cheep san prob make the money back in spares
http://www.powervehicles.com/cars/insoon/1474_97_rx7_redcwest.htm i reeeeeeely want this lol we are gona go have a look at it sometime
also i cant rev the car past 5k there is no belt over the ac and the ps pump will that cause a problem?
Well either one of two things will happen.
1, You will find the cash and have it properly looked at.
or
2, You will sell it to some poor person who will have to resolve the problems that you created.
Fish
It might be some thing simple like the map sensor not plugged in?
QuoteOriginally posted by yonner
also i cant rev the car past 5k there is no belt over the ac and the ps pump will that cause a problem?
At a guess, I\'d say you\'re ac and ps won\'t work. You\'re sure this isn;t the belt for the airpump? If so and you\'ve got a cat, then this could be the cause of your troubles...
Shouldn\'t that drivers side carpet belong around the bottom of a bog?
map sensor is fine but i aint shure if the gas filter is a gas filter lol i think its jsut a 1 way restrictor. i aint gona sell the car and my problems to someone els its prob something i can fix. the air pump is fine its jsut the ac and the ps pump thats not runnign ross from dragonperformance has sent me a new pully it shud be heer to moro.
also the intake manifold it coverd in oil inside so im prety shure my turbos have ****ed off to never (work again) land so its slave away geting a single ready getign the engine ported and a new excu and then getting it mapped or buy a nice new car and single turbo it in winter when its off the road and get it all nice for nxt summer
oil in the intake manifold does not always indicate blown turbos
"so n cnat eb prety shure"
QuoteOriginally posted by Fish
You will sell it to some poor person who will have to resolve the problems that you created.
That\'s a bit strong considering the lad and his dad bought a scrapped non-runner, isn\'t it???:confused:
He\'s technically done better than most here (Inc me), and he\'s not even got a licence yet!
Don\'t lose heart Yonner, keep at it, and it\'ll be something you\'ll be proud of - esp as you guys are doing it yourselves!
1 - make sure it\'s full of coolant
2 - remove the cat, and see if it\'ll run.
3 - make sure it\'s full of oil
4 - the fuel filter is above the rear axle (apparently). It\'s an arse to do (apparently) but worthwhile - esp with the work you are doing
5 - remove the elbow to the upper intake manifold - if the turbo\'s are a problem, this should allow it to idle OK.
6 - DO NOT REV IT ABOVE 3K!!! If it is feeling sorry for itself, and needs attention, this will do nothing but harm - esp if it\'s cold.
You were talking about rebuilding it yourself anyhow - if it is screwed, this could be another chance to learn stuff about the engine!! At this rate, you\'ll be one of the experts on the car before you are old enough to be insured on the damn thing!!!
Everyone is a novice at some point...
Yep I agree, stick with it you\'re doing a great job and besides you learn 100x times more from the mistakes you make, however important or insignificant:D
Where is this oil coming from? are you sure you\'ve torqued all the turbo oil feed and drain pipes up properly? and did you use new gaskets on them??? If it\'s oil in the boost pipes not on the outside of the engine, then yes it could be blown turbos. If its oil on the block and in the engine bay it is probably just a leak. Did you use your old turbo\'s or did you use the ones that came with your 2nd hand engine????
Good luck with it all and I\'m sure you\'ll get all the problems solved,
Paul:)
P.S. Try not to run the engine without coolant:rolleyes: ;)
wow prob the first bit of niceness ive came accros on this forum ;the coolant is full the oil is coming from the clutch slave cylinder. the ramp has decided to chuck it so getting under it aint gona be a joy but im gona try without the cat
the turbos were the original 1ns but we used a special heat proof cocking instead or at least thats what my dad called it as he held his hand over the big bit of righting that said "MASTIC!" we torqed everything according to the manuals spec.
there is no oil on the oustide of the turbos just the intake is soked
1 - make sure it\'s full of coolant - full
2 - remove the cat, and see if it\'ll run. - il try that
3 - make sure it\'s full of oil - oil full and has good preasure
4 - the fuel filter is above the rear axle (apparently). It\'s an arse to do (apparently) but worthwhile - esp with the work you are doing - il try that
5 - remove the elbow to the upper intake manifold - if the turbo\'s are a problem, this should allow it to idle OK. - so jsut remove the full upper manifold? adn then start it?
6 - DO NOT REV IT ABOVE 3K!!! If it is feeling sorry for itself, and needs attention, this will do nothing but harm - esp if it\'s cold. - its not liking to get above 500 never mind 3k
1nce again cheers guys
Also, try checking the plug leads are on in the correct order, TW Whites helpfully put mine back on the wrong way round once (T&L mixed up) and it ran like a dog!
Another thing (Which I doubt you\'re going to want to hear!) is that it sounds like it could be running on just one chamber? Are you sure your getting ignition on both rotors? If the idle is really rough as well then it could well be running on only one rotor...
Dont get disheartened mate!
PS By the way, well done on your last post by the way, it was readable!!! :D
Quote5 - remove the elbow to the upper intake manifold - if the turbo\'s are a problem, this should allow it to idle OK. - so jsut remove the full upper manifold? adn then start it?
NOOOOO!!!! Just the bent elbow from the intercooler to the upper intake manifold!! DO NOT START THE CAR WITHOUT THE UPPER INTAKE MANIFOLD ON!! ((actually, will it even start then???))
Good luck.
Quoteit could well be running on only one rotor
hadn\'t thought of that - if you can keep it going, it may clear enough to run on both...
QuoteOriginally posted by Brett
PS By the way, well done on your last post by the way, it was readable!!! :D
Ditto well done
QuoteOriginally posted by BlitzBoy
Ditto well done
lol i thot seing as u guys were doign summat for me id return the favour :P thank fook scooby never wanted a favor returned :spank
oh just to let u know i managed to flood the car a few days b4 this post took the plugs out and fuel relay and spun it till vapor cleared in the plug holes spun it again plugs back in and started first turn went for a few seconds then the reves droped so i will try the plug wiers im shure the trailings are on fine but not 100(percent key wotn work) shure the leaders are on right i will check that im also going to take my plugs into college to moro to check and clean the crap of them
no this is not a joke
smell the smoke coming from the tail pipe don\'t inhale too much tho.
if the smoke is white in colour and smells oil\'y then the engine is burning oil,
if it\'s white and smells funny not oil\'y but an unusual smell it\'s sucking in water and pumping it thru the engine,
if it\'s black smoke and smells of fuel then it\'s not burning the petrol being sucked in, or not all of it anyway and is again pumping it thru the engine and out the back.
this is a good and easy way to start to diagnose this sort of problem on any car
QuoteOriginally posted by Donato
Everyone is a novice at some point...
Agree with that, l was like 8 when me Mum found a moped engine in me wardrobe that l was trying to get apart, we all start somewhere.
O/K there\'s lots of things being suggested here and hopefully we will get there and all find out what is going on with your motor, this type of thing was after all why MRC was set up ,to help people
BTW what is the model, a T11?
Try this one, after starting pull a vacuum pipe off of the inlet manifold put your finger on and off the metal piece and see if the engine changes note, Rich said check the map sensor the same as l would have said but don\'t forget if you have no vacuum feed due to a huge leak the map sensor can\'t work.
BTW l twigged you was serious about Rotors when you had Dad bring you to Rotorstock, thanks for coming all that way.
i aint been round the garage in a few days just getting setleld at college but i got the day off to moro :D the car is a 3rd gen and the smoke is black i like smoke :bandit :rollin im going to try clives idea tomoro morning
and as for rotor stock i was like :eek: when he said we could go the lass at the b&b was shocked when we told her we made the journy in 4 and a half hours :D
cheers. johnny
Hmmm if your getting black smoke then it sounds like your MAP sensor/fueling/cold start are all ganging up to give you a shafting...
Was the car running ok (ish) before you flooded it and took the plugs out????? If so then chances are you\'ve just got your leads the wrong way round, so check that first, oh and obviously smell yer tail smoke;).
Good luck,
Paul:)
QuoteOriginally posted by clive
Agree with that, l was like 8 when me Mum found a moped engine in me wardrobe that l was trying to get apart, we all start somewhere.
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If you are trying to fix it in the wardrobe like Clive you may be putting it back together wrong due to lack of light! Just tell your mum thats what the kitchen table\'s is for and to stop whining! ;) :D
hmmmm Clive in a wardrobe with a moped engine lol what the hell are u up to with the moped engine Clive???? strange deviant behaviour lmao:rollin sounds like "BEnder" in Futurama, your not related to him by any chance Clive lol???
Bender aka Clive the Forum Leader lol