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General => General Technical => Anything Engine/Performance/Tuning related => Topic started by: Alex300 on September 03, 2004, 06:32:29 PM

Title: Lads gota beat a 320bhp GT4 ST205,
Post by: Alex300 on September 03, 2004, 06:32:29 PM
Lads just recently bought a 1997 type R Bathurst, it runs an apexi exhaust, filter an thats it!!
my mates got a st205 GT4  which has exhaust filter but runs 16 psi of boost to which he gained by fittin a valve between the actuator and turbo (manual boost contoller).
His runs ****in quick now an pulls on me! i dont know wat boost i curently run standard cuz i ent got an accurate Boost gauge, but the question i wana know is how do i match this power??? wat mods need i apply?? his valve cost him £20!!!! was considerin one of those but i dont know wat my engine can take!!
please advise me wisely!!!

many thanx

Alex
Title: Lads gota beat a 320bhp GT4 ST205,
Post by: Fish on September 03, 2004, 07:05:27 PM
Alex, bleed valves are a very crude way of boost control.

To do it properly you need to look at getting yourself an Apexi PFC or anyother make of ECU.

Once you have one of these, you should kick his ar$e... :D

Your boost pattern should be 12-10-12 psi.

Fish
Title: Whats the maximum boost i can run safely!
Post by: Alex300 on September 04, 2004, 11:42:09 AM
ok so ur saying my 2 options are a complete ECU  change e.g. motec m800 or An electronic adjustable boost controller e.g. Apexi!
The ecu\'s lookin at £1200 (bank loan) and its cost to get it mapped an shit! so i think im gona go for Apexi adjustable boost controller! wats the maximum boost i should run on stock engine then without smoking it 2 pieces!! (safely)?????

Alex
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Title: Lads gota beat a 320bhp GT4 ST205,
Post by: Gman on September 04, 2004, 11:49:58 AM
No more than 0.9 bar on a stock engine.
Title: Re: Whats the maximum boost i can run safely!
Post by: maximtaylor on September 04, 2004, 11:59:21 AM
No, got yer info wrong!!

Get an Apexi power FC (ecu) with commander for about £600 new, and it also does boost control :)

Max

QuoteOriginally posted by Alex300
ok so ur saying my 2 options are a complete ECU  change e.g. motec m800 or An electronic adjustable boost controller e.g. Apexi!
The ecu\'s lookin at £1200 (bank loan) and its cost to get it mapped an shit! so i think im gona go for Apexi adjustable boost controller! wats the maximum boost i should run on stock engine then without smoking it 2 pieces!! (safely)?????

Alex
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Title: Lads gota beat a 320bhp GT4 ST205,
Post by: Fish on September 04, 2004, 07:54:40 PM
As per Max. The Motec is serious top end stuff, where as the Apexi P(ower)FC is a cheapy ECU.

Fish
Title: Lads gota beat a 320bhp GT4 ST205,
Post by: yonner on September 05, 2004, 10:47:40 PM
apexi pfc + comander is about 600 and the boost controler is about another 300 chek out sensetuning for the boost conroler only as ther pfcs and comanders a pricy i would also recomend a bigger inter cooler or at least some more air onto the stock 1 u wont need the pfc remaped if u cant because it alredy has a map on it and it shoudl be ok for raising the boost i thin k:confused:
Title: Lads gota beat a 320bhp GT4 ST205,
Post by: antnicuk on September 05, 2004, 10:57:48 PM
or....... buy mine and paste him at 10 psi,  14psi and he wont even see you!
Title: Lads gota beat a 320bhp GT4 ST205,
Post by: yonner on September 05, 2004, 11:00:12 PM
^---- im wiht him his car is sweet and im shure if you sold urs u could get the cash easy for it its a neat car and ur m8 will have that look on his face that tells he is about to lie and say " therse somethign wrong with my car"
Title: Lads gota beat a 320bhp GT4 ST205,
Post by: Fish on September 05, 2004, 11:06:00 PM
I would look at the Profec B boost controller over the Apexi unit.

The users of the Profec are having better results controlling boost than us Apexi users.

The is ONLY boost controllers, nothing to do with the ECU\'s.

Fish
Title: Lads gota beat a 320bhp GT4 ST205,
Post by: antnicuk on September 05, 2004, 11:13:10 PM
as per Fish,  i use a Profec B,  couldnt get the profec A to work on the single turbo for some reason although it worked on my FC TII.  Profec B works perfectly.  No boost creep or drop off, But as stated above, dont just wind your boost up on a stock FD, it will go POP.
Title: Lads gota beat a 320bhp GT4 ST205,
Post by: <Daneh> on September 06, 2004, 05:57:40 AM
whats 0.9 bar eqivelent to in psi?

not thay my car even manages stock results.
Title: Lads gota beat a 320bhp GT4 ST205,
Post by: Fish on September 06, 2004, 11:10:34 AM
.1bar = 1.47psi

1bar = 14.7psi

So it would be somewhere around 12.9psi

Fish
Title: Apexi fc it is then!
Post by: Alex300 on September 07, 2004, 05:30:35 PM
ok guys maybe the motec was abit over the top, I will get an apexi fc unit and commander for £600 hopefully!!!
i thought i\'d be able to run more than 0.9 bar!! how the **** am i gona beat him at 16psi?? his thing ****ing launches! how can i get more boost without ripping apart my rotor or is that the only way???
oh i would buy yours dude but has it got handling aswell as 1/4 power??, see mines setup perfect with its adjustable in car tein suspension,  its track handling!

Alex
Title: Lads gota beat a 320bhp GT4 ST205,
Post by: MikeLMR on September 07, 2004, 05:39:31 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by
whats 0.9 bar eqivelent to in psi?

not thay my car even manages stock results.

if you want to know next time try this neat trick

go to //www.google.co.uk

and type 0.9bar in psi

and it will convert it for you :) works with other things to and its usefull to know :)
Title: Lads gota beat a 320bhp GT4 ST205,
Post by: MintyFresh on September 08, 2004, 11:10:13 AM
The celica is 4WD he\'s always gonna have the legs over you at launch.

But the celica is also a heavy fducker so with an FD running 0.9 bar, and not quite as much power losses through the transmission you will have more than enough power to hold your own.