Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 08:55:05 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 08:55:05 PM
A few people will probably have heard already, but I blew up my engine at Donington on Saturday night. Well to put it correctly my friend Phil (who drifts the mean looking black S14a) done it and feels a bit guilty.
Dont think it likes being drifted!
Will get it sorted - hopefully sooner rather than later. A bit dissapointed at missing Trax though, its never going to be done inside 2 weeks.
Lee
Dont think it likes being drifted!
Will get it sorted - hopefully sooner rather than later. A bit dissapointed at missing Trax though, its never going to be done inside 2 weeks.
Lee
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: Gman on August 23, 2004, 08:58:06 PM
Post by: Gman on August 23, 2004, 08:58:06 PM
It was the 7! I thought u were talking about the Nissan...........whos paying for it? I hope you had the verbal contract of \'u break it u pay for it\'
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: gsb876 on August 23, 2004, 09:03:48 PM
Post by: gsb876 on August 23, 2004, 09:03:48 PM
Shame there Lee,
I know "phatty" and hes a decent guy so hopefully you can sort the motor out soon?? Bit strange as you\'ve not long had it rebuilt???
Sorry buddy:(
I know "phatty" and hes a decent guy so hopefully you can sort the motor out soon?? Bit strange as you\'ve not long had it rebuilt???
Sorry buddy:(
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 09:04:45 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 09:04:45 PM
Im paying for it. Phil didnt do anything I wouldnt of done - he just happened to be in the drivers seat at the time. It might be different if it went into a wall lol. I actually wanted him to drive it, but I think ive put him off taking other peoples cars out for a while.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 09:07:26 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 09:07:26 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by gsb876
Bit strange as you\'ve not long had it rebuilt???
Yeah there was something wrong with it. When drifting left handers it was missing and cutting out type of thing. No-one Ive spoken to yet seems to know what would cause this but it was bound to have been a part of its later blow. Need to try and work out what was wrong.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: Gman on August 23, 2004, 09:10:45 PM
Post by: Gman on August 23, 2004, 09:10:45 PM
Was the engine run in?
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 09:12:31 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 09:12:31 PM
Yeah. As mentioned above there was some sort of problem which I would expect led to it ultimately breaking.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: scooby_si on August 23, 2004, 09:17:11 PM
Post by: scooby_si on August 23, 2004, 09:17:11 PM
blooming heck how many miles did you have on that poor soul? 
Si
Si
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: kevint on August 23, 2004, 09:19:54 PM
Post by: kevint on August 23, 2004, 09:19:54 PM
Sorry to hear that Lee, did you ever get it checked on a rolling road to see if it was running lean?
Kevin
Kevin
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: Shark on August 23, 2004, 09:24:50 PM
Post by: Shark on August 23, 2004, 09:24:50 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by J4P RX
Yeah there was something wrong with it. When drifting left handers it was missing and cutting out type of thing. No-one Ive spoken to yet seems to know what would cause this but it was bound to have been a part of its later blow. Need to try and work out what was wrong.
Sorry to hear this bud.
Is it still able to get fuel out of the tank instead of just air?
(might be a stupid idea, but trying to help. :) )
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 09:39:06 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 09:39:06 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Shark
Sorry to hear this bud.
Is it still able to get fuel out of the tank instead of just air?
(might be a stupid idea, but trying to help. :) )
Fuel is the first thing everyone has said. I had about half a tank in at the time (enough to still drive it 160 miles home after). If this was the case, then Im sure it would have happened at other times and not just when drifting left handers.
Its been fine on the track when Ive not been drifting it and I dont pussy it around either. Dont really know what it was at the moment.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: Fish on August 23, 2004, 10:00:22 PM
Post by: Fish on August 23, 2004, 10:00:22 PM
Still sounds like starvation. :(
Sorry to hear the news mate.
Fish
Sorry to hear the news mate.
Fish
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 10:05:07 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 10:05:07 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Fish
Still sounds like starvation. :(
Sorry to hear the news mate.
Fish
Yeah it does really. Any ideas as to what would cause it though. Something which would be specific to drifting a left hand bend?
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: Shark on August 23, 2004, 10:08:17 PM
Post by: Shark on August 23, 2004, 10:08:17 PM
fuel being forced up the filler neck leaving the pump with less to get at???
(Please tell me when I stop clutching at straws trying to be helpful and just start embarrasing myself.)
(Please tell me when I stop clutching at straws trying to be helpful and just start embarrasing myself.)
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 10:10:13 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 10:10:13 PM
We are talking half a tanks worth a fuel. Presumably thats a lot to move around to avoid pick up?
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: Shark on August 23, 2004, 10:13:29 PM
Post by: Shark on August 23, 2004, 10:13:29 PM
I\'m sure I heard that 1/4 tank can be a problem on the higher power drag cars.
G force on drifting must be pretty high, but it does seem a little much.
Not sure where in the tank the pump is positioned, which would prob be an important factor
G force on drifting must be pretty high, but it does seem a little much.
Not sure where in the tank the pump is positioned, which would prob be an important factor
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 10:18:59 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 10:18:59 PM
High power drag cars are pulling over 2g launches.
Drifting only pulls about 0.6g (which is a pretty constant rate on a slipping tyre im led to believe). I imagine you get more splosh around though if your flicking one way to the other. You would pull more G just cornering on a fast racing line and that wasnt a problem.
Drifting only pulls about 0.6g (which is a pretty constant rate on a slipping tyre im led to believe). I imagine you get more splosh around though if your flicking one way to the other. You would pull more G just cornering on a fast racing line and that wasnt a problem.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: antnicuk on August 23, 2004, 10:20:06 PM
Post by: antnicuk on August 23, 2004, 10:20:06 PM
there are plenty of baffles in a Rx tank, to stop just that and with half a tank you would be hard pushed to take fuel away from the pump inlet. I very much doubt that drifting had anything to do to it. I wouldnt have thought that a drift would be much longer than a hard left hand sweeping bend but i\'m no expert. What set up do you have on your engine? and how many miles has it done?
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: Shark on August 23, 2004, 10:20:17 PM
Post by: Shark on August 23, 2004, 10:20:17 PM
no more ideas here then. sorry bud.
Hope someone that knows more than me can help or you manage to trace it soon.
Hope someone that knows more than me can help or you manage to trace it soon.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 10:33:35 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 10:33:35 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by antnicuk
I very much doubt that drifting had anything to do to it. I wouldnt have thought that a drift would be much longer than a hard left hand sweeping bend but i\'m no expert. What set up do you have on your engine? and how many miles has it done?
Stock engine, Knightsport ECU, Decat, approx 2000 miles.
I wouldnt of thought drifting would be harder than a bend either. Theres a definate problem though, and its specific to drifting a left hand bend. This is the bit I dont get my head around.
When I say drifting we are not talking about a smidge of sideways action. We are talking about 1.5-2 turns of opposite lock being held round a bend.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: scooby_si on August 23, 2004, 10:41:38 PM
Post by: scooby_si on August 23, 2004, 10:41:38 PM
Is the knightsport defo set up for yer decat not runnign lean etc etc & in what way has it blown you say you still mananged to drive 160miles after?
Si (answers will mean little to me
but thought i\'d ask)
Si (answers will mean little to me
but thought i\'d ask)
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: scooby_si on August 23, 2004, 10:42:35 PM
Post by: scooby_si on August 23, 2004, 10:42:35 PM
At what stage do folks tend to run surge tanks erm stir thingies erm etc then?
Si (not sure if that\'s even the correct term but sounded vaguely familair...)
Si (not sure if that\'s even the correct term but sounded vaguely familair...)
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 10:46:06 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 10:46:06 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by scooby_si
Is the knightsport defo set up for yer decat not runnign lean etc etc & in what way has it blown you say you still mananged to drive 160miles after?
Si
I dont know what the fueling is like. Its too much of a co-incidence to have the problem though and for that not the be the cause of the blow.
Its probably broken a tip. You can still drive them depending how bad it is, its just not that nice.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: clive on August 23, 2004, 10:47:10 PM
Post by: clive on August 23, 2004, 10:47:10 PM
Blimey Lee real chocked to hear you have lost your engine :(
Whilst it sounds like starvation and I have had it through left handers and not right in the past, are you sure it was not free reving enough (where the tyres were spining ) to be fuel or boost cutting due to high revs ?
p.s. how much fuel did it take when you filled because although you saw 1/2 a tank FD fuel gauges arn\'t the most acurate in the world !
Whilst it sounds like starvation and I have had it through left handers and not right in the past, are you sure it was not free reving enough (where the tyres were spining ) to be fuel or boost cutting due to high revs ?
p.s. how much fuel did it take when you filled because although you saw 1/2 a tank FD fuel gauges arn\'t the most acurate in the world !
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: antnicuk on August 23, 2004, 10:49:17 PM
Post by: antnicuk on August 23, 2004, 10:49:17 PM
I take it the K/S ecu was plug and play or on it already, you didnt have it mapped. An ecu will be set up for certain mods, if any of these mods change the ecu should be remapped. (hope i\'m not teaching you to suck eggs). Also, if it is jap, their fuel is better so it should be readjusted for optimax.
You can buy special sponges that go in the fuel tank to stop fuel sloshing about but i think its more likely to be ecu issues.
You can buy special sponges that go in the fuel tank to stop fuel sloshing about but i think its more likely to be ecu issues.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: antnicuk on August 23, 2004, 10:50:19 PM
Post by: antnicuk on August 23, 2004, 10:50:19 PM
Quotefuel being forced up the filler neck leaving the pump with less to get at???
left hander would not make fuel go in to the filler neck, its the wrong side...........:confused:
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: GaryS on August 23, 2004, 10:54:00 PM
Post by: GaryS on August 23, 2004, 10:54:00 PM
Ouch Lee, you\'ve not had much luck recently :(
Perhaps the fuel pump has been on it\'s way out and becoming less efficient. On left turns/drifts, the fuel surge might have been enough that the under-powered unit just was not pulling in enough fuel.
Perhaps the fuel pump has been on it\'s way out and becoming less efficient. On left turns/drifts, the fuel surge might have been enough that the under-powered unit just was not pulling in enough fuel.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 10:59:20 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 23, 2004, 10:59:20 PM
Tony,
Probably get a fair amount of force the other way actually due to the angle of the car? I dont know but I dont think it going up the filler is an issue lol.
Clive,
What do you mean because I dont understand about free revving enough? With regards to how much fuel, I still drove 160 miles back home on the same tank after so maybe thats a more accurate measure of the fuel lever. It was also the same tank I drove there on, about 320 miles total when the light came on and I put £20 quid in at Reigate Hill just to be sure I wouldnt run out. Wanted to get as close as home before topping up incase it wouldnt restart or something.
Lee
Probably get a fair amount of force the other way actually due to the angle of the car? I dont know but I dont think it going up the filler is an issue lol.
Clive,
What do you mean because I dont understand about free revving enough? With regards to how much fuel, I still drove 160 miles back home on the same tank after so maybe thats a more accurate measure of the fuel lever. It was also the same tank I drove there on, about 320 miles total when the light came on and I put £20 quid in at Reigate Hill just to be sure I wouldnt run out. Wanted to get as close as home before topping up incase it wouldnt restart or something.
Lee
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: maximtaylor on August 23, 2004, 11:46:30 PM
Post by: maximtaylor on August 23, 2004, 11:46:30 PM
Wasn\'t bouncing off the limiter too much was it Lee? I\'d imagine it\'s quite easy to do this whilst drifting?
Max
Max
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: rextreme on August 24, 2004, 03:33:46 AM
Post by: rextreme on August 24, 2004, 03:33:46 AM
Lee,
When I was drifting at Mobara in Japan, There was a long left hander leading on to the straight.
I had fuel supply problems. The car coughed and splttered a few times. Only when the tank was about 1/2. Early on the car had no probs.
R.I.P 13b :(
Russ.
When I was drifting at Mobara in Japan, There was a long left hander leading on to the straight.
I had fuel supply problems. The car coughed and splttered a few times. Only when the tank was about 1/2. Early on the car had no probs.
R.I.P 13b :(
Russ.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 07:10:57 AM
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 07:10:57 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by maximtaylor
Wasn\'t bouncing off the limiter too much was it Lee? I\'d imagine it\'s quite easy to do this whilst drifting?
Max
No Max it didnt hit the limiter at all. We wernt totally brutal with it :p
Interesting comment Russ. At least someone else has experienced this then. So maybe I need to upgrade some fuel system although Im not sure where to start.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: gsb876 on August 24, 2004, 07:21:08 AM
Post by: gsb876 on August 24, 2004, 07:21:08 AM
I\'ve heard of fuel starvation at 1/4 tank, didn\'t realise it could happen at 1/2 tank too???
I would have thought at 1/2 tank it should be ok.:(
I would have thought at 1/2 tank it should be ok.:(
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: scooby_si on August 24, 2004, 07:30:30 AM
Post by: scooby_si on August 24, 2004, 07:30:30 AM
silly question but is getting such good MPG (how da hell did you do that?) a sign of potentially running lean
?
Si
?Si
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: clive on August 24, 2004, 07:47:53 AM
Post by: clive on August 24, 2004, 07:47:53 AM
are you sure it was not free revving enough (where the tyres were spinning ) to be fuel or boost cutting due to high revs ?
Hi Lee, the above has now been answered,
l was trying to ask if the tyres were spinning where they had almost lost total adhesion due to drifting because it would then become almost like revving an engine out of gear and would be very easy to hit the rev limiter.
The same happens when you do a burn out preparing for drag racing, i.e. you need to control the revs to stop the engine hitting the rev limiter due to the tyres spinning so fast.
Hi Lee, the above has now been answered,
l was trying to ask if the tyres were spinning where they had almost lost total adhesion due to drifting because it would then become almost like revving an engine out of gear and would be very easy to hit the rev limiter.
The same happens when you do a burn out preparing for drag racing, i.e. you need to control the revs to stop the engine hitting the rev limiter due to the tyres spinning so fast.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: Brett on August 24, 2004, 08:04:29 AM
Post by: Brett on August 24, 2004, 08:04:29 AM
Sorry to hear that Lee,
With regard to the fueling issue, I\'ve had it happen in my Egi and in my old silvia. (On hard corners and dips egi, fast left with the silvia)
Was it happening on every left hander, or just on the complexes?
Also, was it doing it at the bottom of fast dips?
Baffels can only help so much in a fuel tank, I\'m unsure as to the shape of the FD tank and the positioning of the pump, but it sounds like a flaw in the design of the pick up if its always on the left.
So you drove it home on one rotor then?
With regard to the fueling issue, I\'ve had it happen in my Egi and in my old silvia. (On hard corners and dips egi, fast left with the silvia)
Was it happening on every left hander, or just on the complexes?
Also, was it doing it at the bottom of fast dips?
Baffels can only help so much in a fuel tank, I\'m unsure as to the shape of the FD tank and the positioning of the pump, but it sounds like a flaw in the design of the pick up if its always on the left.
So you drove it home on one rotor then?
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: kevint on August 24, 2004, 08:08:04 AM
Post by: kevint on August 24, 2004, 08:08:04 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by J4P RX
I dont know what the fueling is like. Its too much of a co-incidence to have the problem though and for that not the be the cause
Combination of already marginal fuelling plus some starvation from the fuel moving around the tank? The previous owner had the car on the RR at CPL, can Guy provide the AFR plot?
Kevin
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 08:16:11 AM
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 08:16:11 AM
Its seems to be pretty much any reasonable speed left hander, but only if you drift it.
Havnt been through fast dips as we only had a couple of the bends at Donington then we spun it round and went back the other way for display and not the entire track.
I drove home as it was as it was a night session anyway so at gone 10 I thought id get a clear run. Ended up in solid traffic on the M1 at midnight and didnt get in till 2. I think its a broken tip, so probably the 2nd rotor still does something? I dont know.
I wasnt in the AA or anything so didnt have much choice and I thought it would get home. My Drift Team already had two recovry trucks coming so I would of felt really bad needing one too. We managed to break 4 cars that night so it wasnt a good night mechanically (we dont normally have issues) though we all still had a good time.
Lee
Havnt been through fast dips as we only had a couple of the bends at Donington then we spun it round and went back the other way for display and not the entire track.
I drove home as it was as it was a night session anyway so at gone 10 I thought id get a clear run. Ended up in solid traffic on the M1 at midnight and didnt get in till 2. I think its a broken tip, so probably the 2nd rotor still does something? I dont know.
I wasnt in the AA or anything so didnt have much choice and I thought it would get home. My Drift Team already had two recovry trucks coming so I would of felt really bad needing one too. We managed to break 4 cars that night so it wasnt a good night mechanically (we dont normally have issues) though we all still had a good time.
Lee
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 08:17:14 AM
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 08:17:14 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Kevint
Combination of already marginal fuelling plus some starvation from the fuel moving around the tank? The previous owner had the car on the RR at CPL, can Guy provide the AFR plot?
Kevin
I dont know, I only have the power graph. Can only assume that if there was an issue at the time it would of been looked at.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: Donato on August 24, 2004, 08:26:17 AM
Post by: Donato on August 24, 2004, 08:26:17 AM
Very sorry to hear that. I know the feeling...
Hope you get it sorted soon...
Cheers
Donato
Hope you get it sorted soon...
Cheers
Donato
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: Archbish on August 24, 2004, 09:00:01 AM
Post by: Archbish on August 24, 2004, 09:00:01 AM
bugger. sorry dude. good luck getting it sorted.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: davefrith on August 24, 2004, 09:04:41 AM
Post by: davefrith on August 24, 2004, 09:04:41 AM
Lee, being well and truely in the same boat as you, I sympathise, hope you get it sorted soon
Dave
Dave
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: Initial-D on August 24, 2004, 09:21:19 AM
Post by: Initial-D on August 24, 2004, 09:21:19 AM
Damn! That\'s unlucky and so soon after your rebuild. Hope the problem becomes apparent so it doesn\'t occur again.
My thoughts would be the fuel pump struggling to pump fuel under heavy cornering -- causing detonation. This occurs with some of the Bosch jobbies I believe too.
Mine should hopefully be back this weekend (fingers crossed) so hopefully you won\'t be far behind getting yours back. Such a shame as the funds could\'ve gone towards a new LSD and roll cage! (Isn\'t ya motor still under warrenty tho)??:(
My thoughts would be the fuel pump struggling to pump fuel under heavy cornering -- causing detonation. This occurs with some of the Bosch jobbies I believe too.
Mine should hopefully be back this weekend (fingers crossed) so hopefully you won\'t be far behind getting yours back. Such a shame as the funds could\'ve gone towards a new LSD and roll cage! (Isn\'t ya motor still under warrenty tho)??:(
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 09:33:13 AM
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 09:33:13 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by davefrith
Lee, being well and truely in the same boat as you, I sympathise, hope you get it sorted soon
Dave
Dave - do you have problems with your new lump then?
Lee
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: davefrith on August 24, 2004, 09:34:08 AM
Post by: davefrith on August 24, 2004, 09:34:08 AM
Indeed, hoping to get it sorted again soon
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: iaint on August 24, 2004, 10:14:02 AM
Post by: iaint on August 24, 2004, 10:14:02 AM
Gutted for you Lee - not been the most rewarding period of FD ownership for you I guess. Glad you\'re going to stick with it though.
Still coming to trax or going to give it a miss now?
Iain
Still coming to trax or going to give it a miss now?
Iain
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 10:26:53 AM
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 10:26:53 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by iaint
Gutted for you Lee - not been the most rewarding period of FD ownership for you I guess. Glad you\'re going to stick with it though.
Still coming to trax or going to give it a miss now?
Iain
Im still going to Trax, Ive got 3 track sessions. If I cant sell them ill take the Nissan out rather than waste them I guess. Not sure yet but ill be there at least.
I never said I was sticking with it. Thats totally in the air at the moment. I said im getting it fixed...
I cant really decide what to do with it. The only thing thats definate is im going to carry on drifting. Have to weigh up my options car wise.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: bnaellis on August 24, 2004, 04:11:04 PM
Post by: bnaellis on August 24, 2004, 04:11:04 PM
Sorry to hear Lee.
Should also check what fuel pump you have fitted.
I have driven cars with less fuel light on and plant my foot down going straight with no issues. But I also remember driving a one with a bosch 044 pump on around 1/3 of a tank left going straight and it would stutter & splutter. Put some juice in and it was fine. Some fuel pumps pull so hard that even with half a tank of gas on hard cornering starvation is possible.
rgds
Should also check what fuel pump you have fitted.
I have driven cars with less fuel light on and plant my foot down going straight with no issues. But I also remember driving a one with a bosch 044 pump on around 1/3 of a tank left going straight and it would stutter & splutter. Put some juice in and it was fine. Some fuel pumps pull so hard that even with half a tank of gas on hard cornering starvation is possible.
rgds
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: Gman on August 24, 2004, 04:32:40 PM
Post by: Gman on August 24, 2004, 04:32:40 PM
I\'ll have a session or do you have to sell all three at once?
If so i will have all three :D
If so i will have all three :D
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 04:58:47 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 04:58:47 PM
I will get back to you on the sessions. Would let them go individually but you do realise they are just open public sessions. I know some people didnt want to do them.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: Gman on August 24, 2004, 08:02:46 PM
Post by: Gman on August 24, 2004, 08:02:46 PM
That fine mate, i think i am too late to book direct anyway. The only thing i am thinking about is the noise of my car.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: gsb876 on August 24, 2004, 08:14:28 PM
Post by: gsb876 on August 24, 2004, 08:14:28 PM
Suprised you haven\'t tried any of this drifting lark Graham as your cars set up for drifting ain\'t it buddy???
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: 20B_boy on August 24, 2004, 08:38:43 PM
Post by: 20B_boy on August 24, 2004, 08:38:43 PM
PMSL at J4P RX\'s avatar!!
I goota T76 and 460 horses too baby! :rollin :rollin :rollin
I goota T76 and 460 horses too baby! :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: antnicuk on August 24, 2004, 08:39:43 PM
Post by: antnicuk on August 24, 2004, 08:39:43 PM
Lee,
slightly off topic but not far,
Can you tell me how drifting competions work? I dont know how one person is better than another.
regards
tony
slightly off topic but not far,
Can you tell me how drifting competions work? I dont know how one person is better than another.
regards
tony
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: gsb876 on August 24, 2004, 08:46:58 PM
Post by: gsb876 on August 24, 2004, 08:46:58 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by 20B_boy
PMSL at J4P RX\'s avatar!!
I goota T76 and 460 horses too baby! :rollin :rollin :rollin
I told you to get a haircut ya hippy!!!!!!:rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 08:47:29 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 08:47:29 PM
At Silverstone theres 4 judges, and they mark out of 25 points (i think) for each of the 3 bends. Then theres extra points for linking it between the corners making it up to 100.
Only trouble is at the moment theres controversy about the judging decisions after every single round as its always a bit inconsistent - mainly because the judges over here dont really know what they are looking at (special guests racing drivers and stuff). Normally its obvious whose done the better runs and who should get into the next round though.
At the Drift UK events then once it goes to the top 4 you run head to head on track at the same time. The person behind has to try and keep up with the person in front matching their angle/speed (and passing if they car). Then positions are reversed and they run the course again to decide the winner. Again its normally pretty obvious who done better.
Only trouble is at the moment theres controversy about the judging decisions after every single round as its always a bit inconsistent - mainly because the judges over here dont really know what they are looking at (special guests racing drivers and stuff). Normally its obvious whose done the better runs and who should get into the next round though.
At the Drift UK events then once it goes to the top 4 you run head to head on track at the same time. The person behind has to try and keep up with the person in front matching their angle/speed (and passing if they car). Then positions are reversed and they run the course again to decide the winner. Again its normally pretty obvious who done better.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: Gman on August 24, 2004, 09:16:04 PM
Post by: Gman on August 24, 2004, 09:16:04 PM
I\'m set to burst onto the drift scene next year, will be doing some intensive training in the off season.
If i use some cable ties to attach my video camera to my roll cage will i be allowed on the track (if i can get the sessions off Lee;) )
If i use some cable ties to attach my video camera to my roll cage will i be allowed on the track (if i can get the sessions off Lee;) )
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 09:23:29 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 09:23:29 PM
Not at Silverstone as they will check, but on some practice days and stuff it should be fine.
I badly need practice, hardly ever get any and it shows.
I badly need practice, hardly ever get any and it shows.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: scooby_si on August 24, 2004, 09:28:58 PM
Post by: scooby_si on August 24, 2004, 09:28:58 PM
Lee is that the way they\'re doing it now didn\'t think it was like that in the UK yet? seen the vids of them doing that in USA & Japan but thought UK was still points based non close quarter stuff? 
Si
Si
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 09:32:40 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 09:32:40 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by scooby_si
Lee is that the way they\'re doing it now didn\'t think it was like that in the UK yet? seen the vids of them doing that in USA & Japan but thought UK was still points based non close quarter stuff?
Si
At Silverstone nothing close, but drift UK events are running full battle (and are supported by D1 corp Japan I think - Ken Nomura was there last time).
Vid of Phatty and Fredrick from there:
http://www.philmorrison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/phil&fredrick.wmv
Lee
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: Gman on August 24, 2004, 10:03:52 PM
Post by: Gman on August 24, 2004, 10:03:52 PM
I just checked and all track time has gone so if i can have those off you Lee that would be great. Let me know :)
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: scooby_si on August 24, 2004, 10:28:15 PM
Post by: scooby_si on August 24, 2004, 10:28:15 PM
so what are the "drift UK" events then?
Si
Si
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 10:34:03 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 10:34:03 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by scooby_si
so what are the "drift UK" events then?
Si
Theres only been one so far, at Birmingham wheels and it was Video\'d by V-Opt Japn for Option Video. So cool. You can read about it in the lastest issue of Jap Peformance.
Team Nightspirit went to Bruntingthorpe though as "Drift UK" to put on a demo, as the Drift UK guy is working pretty closely with us as the moment as the last event was mainly Nightspirit people.
There is another one in Birmingham coming up next month (I have free entry woo!), but it will probably be really busy now as the last one rocked so hard. Best UK drift event ever but not many people came along as it was dubios about it happening.
As said, they currently have backing from D1 Corp Japan to run Euro Drift series, and are after proper venues to sort some big things for next year.
Things are moving along with some pretty big momentum at the moment. Venues is still the main issue.
I have written too much lol.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: scooby_si on August 24, 2004, 10:47:50 PM
Post by: scooby_si on August 24, 2004, 10:47:50 PM
can you post any more details for brum kinda stuff being local & all i\'d luv to come along......Any links of is it on the drifty site thing sumwhere? Always thought the UKD1 was a little not dull exactly but kinda boring surely even taking part on the same 3 corners again & again cant teach you all the different techniques particularly well.....?
Si (so wana get into it but dont fancy another 6 month rebuild....lol)
Si (so wana get into it but dont fancy another 6 month rebuild....lol)
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 10:54:48 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 24, 2004, 10:54:48 PM
26th Sept is the next Birmingham Wheels event.
Silverstone isnt that great really and is getting a bit samey now. The track is just a power test really but hopefully we will have some new tracks next year.
Silverstone isnt that great really and is getting a bit samey now. The track is just a power test really but hopefully we will have some new tracks next year.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: Initial-D on August 25, 2004, 10:00:25 AM
Post by: Initial-D on August 25, 2004, 10:00:25 AM
Desperatly need a track with lots of twisties! Silverstone is like you say too much of a power track and doesn\'t work out well for the lesser bhp cars.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: Fish on August 25, 2004, 11:49:03 AM
Post by: Fish on August 25, 2004, 11:49:03 AM
OK, had a proper read of this last night.
The internal baffles in the tank appear to break down/off over time, and I think anything older than about 5 years would suffer this problem.
Back to the main bit though. I still think it was starvation, with a bit of lean running in there as well.
Whenever you start playing at trackdays and such, you should be looking at adding a swirl pot, uprated pump and an FPR as the least done. This cuts down on the chances of getting this sort of thing happening. Doing it proplery would mean a foam filled tank, small (helper) pumps in each corner feeding an in-tank swirl pot. This then feeds two pumps going to each fuel rail.
If trying hard enough you would be able to get starvation on 3/4 tank. It\'s really not that hard to do.
Plus you say that you got another 160 miles out of the tank! This to me would mean that it was borderline lean on cruise, which I would take to be lean on boost.
The think to look out for when removing the engine, is look at the turbo pack. If it has been running lean, the headers will be cracked due to heat.
These are just my thoughts on it.
Fish
The internal baffles in the tank appear to break down/off over time, and I think anything older than about 5 years would suffer this problem.
Back to the main bit though. I still think it was starvation, with a bit of lean running in there as well.
Whenever you start playing at trackdays and such, you should be looking at adding a swirl pot, uprated pump and an FPR as the least done. This cuts down on the chances of getting this sort of thing happening. Doing it proplery would mean a foam filled tank, small (helper) pumps in each corner feeding an in-tank swirl pot. This then feeds two pumps going to each fuel rail.
If trying hard enough you would be able to get starvation on 3/4 tank. It\'s really not that hard to do.
Plus you say that you got another 160 miles out of the tank! This to me would mean that it was borderline lean on cruise, which I would take to be lean on boost.
The think to look out for when removing the engine, is look at the turbo pack. If it has been running lean, the headers will be cracked due to heat.
These are just my thoughts on it.
Fish
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 25, 2004, 12:07:52 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 25, 2004, 12:07:52 PM
Thanks Fish.
Regarding the MPG it only works out at a little over 20mpg, and thats all motorway cruising (mostly sub 3000rpm, especially on the way home) so its not anything good mpg wise.
Will get the turbo thing looked at when its out. Sounds like thats a lot of work to make an FD reliable on track which is something for me to think about.
Lee
Regarding the MPG it only works out at a little over 20mpg, and thats all motorway cruising (mostly sub 3000rpm, especially on the way home) so its not anything good mpg wise.
Will get the turbo thing looked at when its out. Sounds like thats a lot of work to make an FD reliable on track which is something for me to think about.
Lee
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: Fish on August 25, 2004, 12:27:21 PM
Post by: Fish on August 25, 2004, 12:27:21 PM
I guess that with drifting you would need to work on the cooling system all that bit more.
Higher temps like we would see on track, but without the air flow going though the radiator. Not good. :(
Fish
Higher temps like we would see on track, but without the air flow going though the radiator. Not good. :(
Fish
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: JamesFD3 on August 25, 2004, 06:10:00 PM
Post by: JamesFD3 on August 25, 2004, 06:10:00 PM
I was at Silverstone on sunday to watch round 4 of the drift comp.
Went along out of curiosity having only done trackdays upto now as I wanted to see what this drifting lark was all about.
Came away very impressed by the skill shown by some of the top drifters.Drifting through a series of corners looks very difficult and I guess it takes alot of practice to perfect,especially the transition between the drifts.
Not sure it\'s something I\'d want to put my RX-7 through though as it looks pretty brutal on the cars with lots of rev limiter action and piling into gravel traps.
tempted to hunt down a nice cheap 200sx to have a play with though:D
James
Went along out of curiosity having only done trackdays upto now as I wanted to see what this drifting lark was all about.
Came away very impressed by the skill shown by some of the top drifters.Drifting through a series of corners looks very difficult and I guess it takes alot of practice to perfect,especially the transition between the drifts.
Not sure it\'s something I\'d want to put my RX-7 through though as it looks pretty brutal on the cars with lots of rev limiter action and piling into gravel traps.
tempted to hunt down a nice cheap 200sx to have a play with though:D
James
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on August 25, 2004, 06:23:19 PM
Post by: J4P RX on August 25, 2004, 06:23:19 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by JamesFD3
I was at Silverstone on sunday to watch round 4 of the drift comp...
...tempted to hunt down a nice cheap 200sx to have a play with though:D
James
I would have said hello if I saw you! I had entered the RX7. Got it home at 2am and up again at 6.30 as I didnt know if I could transfer my entry. If not I was going to drive the 200SX anyway seeing as I paid. They let me transfer to the next round though.
200SX is obviously the car of choice, but you need to mod a couple of things. A lot of the S13s dont have diffs, so you really need to sort that (you can fit an S14 diff, but they are not so good). Standard suspension is like a boat, and if you have the leather seats you fly everywhere :D
People keep telling me to just forget the RX7 and kit out the S14, but id end up spending more on it than I paid for it and my hearts not in it at the moment.
Lee
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: JamesFD3 on August 25, 2004, 07:27:25 PM
Post by: JamesFD3 on August 25, 2004, 07:27:25 PM
Sorry I missed you Lee,I\'f I\'d seen your RX-7 I would have came over to say hello!!:wave
Those Isuzu Piazza\'s looked funny with there steamship bodyroll!
The 200sx seems to be the most popular car though with some long fast flowing drifts by some of the drivers.The transition from one drift to another does look very difficult and very easy to overcook.Practice,practice and more practice does seem the only way to get good at this game!!
Sorry to hear about your RX-7,I know excactly how you feel as my 3rotor 20B decided to go pop in a big way a few weeks back and that isn\'t going to be cheap to fix:eek:
James
Those Isuzu Piazza\'s looked funny with there steamship bodyroll!
The 200sx seems to be the most popular car though with some long fast flowing drifts by some of the drivers.The transition from one drift to another does look very difficult and very easy to overcook.Practice,practice and more practice does seem the only way to get good at this game!!
Sorry to hear about your RX-7,I know excactly how you feel as my 3rotor 20B decided to go pop in a big way a few weeks back and that isn\'t going to be cheap to fix:eek:
James
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: jantore on September 01, 2004, 09:29:39 PM
Post by: jantore on September 01, 2004, 09:29:39 PM
Just to give u my opinion Lee. I had the same problem with my car. I had 1/2 tank left and got into a hard 90 degree left bend and as i acceleratet out of the corner i got a fuel cut. So i would say u had a fuel cut due to air in the fuel line. Cause as Fish said the baffels get worn down by the fuel.
Oh by the way Fredrik is a very good freind of mine :) And he\'s one hell of a drifter.
And he and i will be moving to england this fall :)
Sincerly
Jan-Tore Pedersen
Oh by the way Fredrik is a very good freind of mine :) And he\'s one hell of a drifter.
And he and i will be moving to england this fall :)
Sincerly
Jan-Tore Pedersen
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: J4P RX on September 01, 2004, 10:10:51 PM
Post by: J4P RX on September 01, 2004, 10:10:51 PM
Thanks!
I met Fredrik last time he came over for D1 at Silverstone and then the Birmingham event, as he spent a lot of time with the Nightspirit guys. Yes he is very good!
Will be good to see him coming over again for the next event, hopefully Ill have a car running by then. Im not sure at the moment.
Lee
I met Fredrik last time he came over for D1 at Silverstone and then the Birmingham event, as he spent a lot of time with the Nightspirit guys. Yes he is very good!
Will be good to see him coming over again for the next event, hopefully Ill have a car running by then. Im not sure at the moment.
Lee