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Cars by Model Type => 2nd generation RX-7's => Topic started by: jaguarman22 on January 30, 2013, 09:18:46 PM

Title: over fueling
Post by: jaguarman22 on January 30, 2013, 09:18:46 PM
I Me Again
Have been looking at other posts and see it is normal for the RX to over fuel
Even the RX8 why is this ?
I have spent my life on standard configuration engines and it would be a big concern if they did it as often as the RX
It was one of the first things Tim told me when I got it
And we try to remember must be hot before switching it off but still seems funny
Michael
Title: over fueling
Post by: m1tch on January 30, 2013, 10:38:25 PM
Rotaries run rich all the time, don\'t forget that oil is also injected (much like 2 stroke engines) when the engine is running to lubricate the seals. Basically if a rotary engine goes lean on boost it might detonate which then blows a seal, which then trashes the rotor and housing.

The engine needs to be up to temperature before turning off so that it doesn\'t flood, the car runs rich until its up to temperature (and all the seals have expanded) which is another reason why you should let the engine warm up before driving it.
Title: over fueling
Post by: jaguarman22 on January 31, 2013, 12:37:54 PM
Thanks for that yes the wife drives it and always sits in it to put her face on till it is up to temp
Michael
Title: over fueling
Post by: Skifledanabit on January 31, 2013, 07:36:45 PM
Quote from: jaguarman22;849376Thanks for that yes the wife drives it and always sits in it to put her face on till it is up to temp
Michael

That\'s a good idea! Best break out the man make-up guys!
Title: over fueling
Post by: jaguarman22 on January 31, 2013, 08:52:11 PM
that\'s a good idea Ha Ha
been reading the sticky on over fueling and i think my Injectors are starting to dribble as there isn\'t a problem with it till it is parked up for more than 2 days the last  time it did it i gave it a tow and with in 100 yards it was running and i think it will be the same this time just waiting for new plugs as these have done 12000 so think they need replacing  
so any help with what to put in would help  
going to fit a on / off switch for the fuel pump so i can drain it down before switching it off and all so helps with anti theft
Title: over fueling
Post by: yasiryassin on January 31, 2013, 10:06:39 PM
i think tow starting rotarys is bad for the engine?? hopefully someone can step in here and shed light on that.
also good idea with the fuel cut out switch, make sure you hide it tho or else its not so good at anti theft lol
Title: over fueling
Post by: jaguarman22 on January 31, 2013, 10:39:20 PM
why?
i have done it before and other\'s on hear have ?
Title: over fueling
Post by: jimmydanny on February 01, 2013, 09:51:04 AM
I have towed my FC so many miles, I can\'t count them on ten hands if I had.

So I\'d say no problem,self-rebuilt engine, 7000mi now.
Title: over fueling
Post by: jaguarman22 on February 01, 2013, 03:50:59 PM
Me Again  i am looking at changing the injectors  what is recommend for street use ?
And is there a up grade for the coil Packs ?
thanks Again
Title: over fueling
Post by: yasiryassin on February 01, 2013, 04:17:16 PM
useful website - http://fc3spro.com/TECH/MODS/mods.html
Title: over fueling
Post by: Prof on February 01, 2013, 04:22:49 PM
Quote from: yasiryassin;849439i think tow starting rotarys is bad for the engine?? hopefully someone can step in here and shed light on that.
also good idea with the fuel cut out switch, make sure you hide it tho or else its not so good at anti theft lol

 
I can\'t see why that should be
 
The main diference with rotaries and piston cars - the rotary engine will stay flooded, the only way to get the fuel out is either combust it out or squeeze it out through an open spark plug hole.
 
There\'s a fairly easy way to deflood the turbo rotary engines - the ECU incorporates a fuel cut mechanism if you crank the engine with WOT (wide open throttle - or foot to the floor).  This stops the injectors putting any extra fuel in, and with the large intake of extra air it usually gets around mild flooding conditions.
 
The next level up is to remove the bottom 2 plugs, remove the EGI fuse from the engine bay (kills spark and fuel injection), then crank the engine over for about 30 seconds or so and wait a minute - repeat this procedure about 2 or 3 times, flooring the accelerator to allow maximum air throuput - you should get clouds of white vapour out of the plug holes.  Then clean the bottom 2 plugs and put them back in, take the top 2 plugs out and check / clean them also and then put them back in and refit the EGI fuse - try cranking to start the engine.  You should ideally have a good batter for this procedure - or jump leads from a running car (but be careful of sparks near the fuel vapour)
 
Tow Starting is kind of an extreme version of 1) above.
Title: over fueling
Post by: Will66 on February 01, 2013, 05:01:00 PM
Tow starting is fine for the motor, it\'ll kill the catalytic converter if you have one.  Solution, get rid of it as they\'re a farcical measure to keep the oil companies happy.
Title: over fueling
Post by: jaguarman22 on February 01, 2013, 05:20:33 PM
this is interesting as 2 Big RX company\'s have told me to leave them on (The Cats)
as i wanted to when i put a new y pipe on