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Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: Shaq on July 21, 2004, 10:26:31 PM
hey everyone !

Friend of mine bought a gen 2 rx7 with a v8 engine already in it (I know! Why!) sounds good tho!

He has rover sd1 engine in the car, but the car tops out at 80mph a mechanic who is doing some work on he car reckons the stock diff cannot keep up?!?!

Will a RX7 gen 2 auto diff fit and be better? The mechanic said that it will that this would be a better option

what do you guys think?
do you think he will have a better increase in speed with a gen2 AUTO diff ?
 

please help !


thanks


ShaQ
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: yonner on July 22, 2004, 01:01:54 AM
is he flat out at 6000 in 5th when its at 80???
Title: Re: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: 20B_boy on July 22, 2004, 08:40:16 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Shaq
but the car tops out at 80mph a mechanic who is doing some work on he car reckons the stock diff cannot keep up?!?!
:rollin

Stock diff \'keeps up\' with the 20B in my TII :rollin - what is he on!
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: Shaq on July 22, 2004, 11:59:01 AM
lol !

thats what i thought, i thought the diff could go through alot before it gives, so what do you reckon it is then why can he only get 80 mph out of it ?


shaQ
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: Shaq on July 22, 2004, 12:10:23 PM
he says it redlines at 80mph?
you think its a transmission problem?


shaQ
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: tr8theshape on July 22, 2004, 12:20:13 PM
Think it must be the diff ratio that\'s the problem, the rover V8 doesn\'t rev like the rotarys,  5 - 5.5k rpm and thats your lot really.

The diff ratio on the SD1 was 3.08:1 (I think) and with that and a 5 speed manual (Rover) 70mph should be around 2300 revs.

having said that a quick calc says that if it tops out at 80 at 5000 revs then if it could rev to 7500 then it would only be doing 120?
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: Shaq on July 22, 2004, 12:35:22 PM
cool,

what do you think he should do ? what does he need to achive more speed?

thanks


shaQ
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: grinder on July 22, 2004, 12:36:34 PM
stick a rotary back in !!

sorry had to be said !
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: Sean on July 22, 2004, 12:52:54 PM
I second thee!(http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/mini/small-smiley-023.gif)
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: tr8theshape on July 22, 2004, 01:15:12 PM
After a quick look on the interweb (bored & lunchtime)!

I see that most manuals have a 4.1 diff wheras the autos have a 3.9 diff (Funnily enough the same as the five speed TR7 which uses the same 5 speed gearbox as the SD1).

So if my memory is correct (going back a few years) on the TR7 90Mph came in at around 4500 to 5000 revs. This means that by swapping the diff for the auto version you will still stuggle to get more than 100Mph out of it.

Unless you can easily get a diiff for the RX which is quite a lot lower then you may be better putting the rotary back in.

Whew - think all that\'s right - going to have to go for a lie down.
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: Shaq on July 22, 2004, 01:38:05 PM
i know thats what i told him to do just stick in a t2 lump in, he wouldnt be having these problems right now, but he was adamant he wanted to keep the v8, when i first saw it i was so excited one of my friends bought a gen2 then he poped the bonnet only to see a V8 with twin carbs on it ....

:eek:


tr8theshape

thanks for the feedback, so what do you suggest he do ? (apart from stick a T2 lump in!)
100mph is not great !

when you say "get a diff for the RX which is quite a lot lower" what diff do you suggest ?

thank s again


shaQ
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: Sean on July 22, 2004, 01:39:26 PM
tr8theshape seems to know his stuff .....I\'d listen to him!
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: tr8theshape on July 22, 2004, 03:22:22 PM
Afraid I can\'t help there, find out which 2nd Gen had the lowest ratio and put that in.  But due to the diifferent engine characteristics I wouldn\'t expect mega top speeds.
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: MikeLMR on July 22, 2004, 04:17:19 PM
has it got an auto box in it (from the rover of course) ? if it has is he sure its shifting into top ?
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: Shaq on July 22, 2004, 06:38:35 PM
mikeLMR

no its a manual 5 speed.

what do you mean by "shifting into top" ?


thanks

shaQ
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: yonner on July 22, 2004, 07:02:02 PM
he means going into top gear like mabe its toping out in 2nd gear of the auto tell him to put a 13tt in there
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: tr8theshape on July 22, 2004, 07:55:31 PM
One thought, is the speedo correct?
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: antnicuk on July 22, 2004, 11:04:44 PM
or is the rev counter correct?
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: Shaq on July 23, 2004, 01:43:46 PM
its a manual 5 speed, so when he is selecting 5 you can hear his engine really working as the revs build up (sounds loud!) then he hits redline ?!?!




shaQ
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: MikeLMR on July 23, 2004, 04:30:10 PM
but unless the rev counter has been converted it will read twice the true engine speed
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: grinder on July 23, 2004, 04:43:13 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Shaq
its a manual 5 speed, so when he is selecting 5 you can hear his engine really working as the revs build up (sounds loud!) then he hits redline ?!?!


shaQ

is that the redline on the counter or when the rev limiter kicks in ??
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: tr8theshape on July 23, 2004, 05:32:40 PM
I wouldn\'t think it would have a limiter if it\'s on carbs, the hydraulic lifters stop working correctly after a certain point and that limits the revs - but you shouldn\'t rev it that hard.
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: MikeLMR on July 23, 2004, 05:38:13 PM
IF you had rev\'ed a rover v8 to the redline on a stock second gen tacho I would have thought it would blow up ? 8K+ on a rover V8 ?!?!
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: Shaq on July 23, 2004, 05:48:30 PM
the tach has been converted to adapt to the engine.  but its stops going any faster after 80mph?
i know the v8 s dont rev very high but can you get more speed out of that engine by perhaps maybe changing the gear box or something ?


shaQ
Title: Gen2(fc) with a V8 Diff problems ??
Post by: DRFTRX_82 on August 01, 2004, 08:32:04 PM
If he wants a V8 in it tell him to slap a ford in there and use a 9\' rear end... problem solved. maybe....